On Submission with Simon P. Clark

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different. I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to
answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

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Today's guest for the SHIT is a long-time reader of all the SHIT's, someone I can always count on to help spread the word of a fresh SHIT on the blog. Simon P. Clark is a British children's author working and living in New Jersey. The recent sale of EREN to Corsair, Constable & Robinson made him a candidate for this interview - one of his lifelong goals, I'm sure.

How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

Firstly, thank for having me. I always enjoyed reading the SHIT posts when I was submitting – it’s a great niche you’re filling here.

How much did I know? A fair bit. I first had the idea of becoming an author in my teens, so I’ve had enough time to learn a few things when I should have been doing real work. From books and message boards, I had a decent idea of what was to come – the nuts and bolts, at least. 

Did anything about the process surprise you?

That is wasn’t all a total slog. Editors are lovely people! A lot of the passes for EREN came with praise and comments that I really appreciated. I never felt a real emotional hit from a pass because they were professional but human, so maybe I was surprised that it wasn’t this brutal heart-wrench. Day to day, it’s actually kinda dull.

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

A bit, mostly because I’m on Twitter a lot anyway. There’s no harm, is there? Finding interviews is  good, but you can’t read too much into them since the questions don’t apply to your book, your submission. I do recommend it  – but only if you can stay detached. Write like a butterfly, stalk like a bee. Or should that be the other way around?

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

There’s no real average. We heard from some in just two weeks, and some hadn’t got back by the time the offer came.  Hearing news about books being bought in their first week or so was always frustrating, but I got my yes in the end.  The editor who offered went from first read to offer in a pretty short amount of time, so it’s more about finding the right person than counting the days.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

Don’t deny that you’re anxious. Don’t cut yourself off. Follow editors and agents and writers on Twitter, get plugged in to the conversation and the latest news, keep engaged. And yes, write more. Submission isn’t sabbatical – there’s always more writing to be done. Perhaps the best tip is to not keep it a secret. Don’t be scared or embarrassed you’re trying to make it. Tell friends and family. Every so often they’ll ask you how it’s going. That’s a good thing.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

I don’t know if I had to deal with them because they’re just as part of being a professional writer. It was all more positive than query rejections because Molly (Molly Ker Hawn of The Bent Agency) was always so insistent that we had to find the right editor, and that person was out there somewhere.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

Editors’ feedback is so good. Make sure your agent passes it to you. Some of it I agreed might be true. Some of it I disagreed with, and that just meant they weren’t the editor for me.  Now, a small confession here – I don’t really go in for beta readers. I have my wife, who is brutal but wise at times, and that’s it. So I can’t compare to betas, but I bet editors are nicer and beat around the bush more that good betas do.

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

A dream. I was standing before a great library, and a voice cried out, saying –

OK, no. Telephone, but not as I thought it would go.  Just a few days before the call my agent had given me some feedback on a new book. When I woke up to an e-mail asking if I could chat that day, I really figured it was about that. Cunningly, she had made the email seem very relaxed. She rang, and started by apologising about not calling with her feedback on the book (it had been e-mailed). Then, she said she hoped this would make up for it – we’d had an offer. I said ‘Oh my gosh’ a lot and laughed. She made sure I was at the computer and sent over the editor’s email. I felt .. hmm. Vindicated? After so much work, it was happening.

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

Yup. It was a Big Secret, so naturally I told my family and closest friends and told them it was a secret.  Being able to share the fun in that self contained circle made the whole thing manageable. Of course I wanted to shout it out, but there were professional matters to attend to – contracts, negotiations. I partied with my loved ones instead. When the PM announcement went out, I had a blog post ready to go.

Thursday Thoughts

Thoughts lately...

1) It's pretty embarrassing to tell the lady at the animal shelter you're looking for a pterodactyl cat, and then patiently explain what that means and she says, "Oh, you mean a polydactyl." I almost said, "NO NO NO!! I DEMAND A PTERODACTYL CAT!!"

2) My shampoo bottle claims to have over 100 uses. I stared at it for a while trying to think of 99 other uses for shampoo. I felt like a real ass when I figured out what it was actually saying. Stupid misleading shampoo bottle.

3) Sticks are awesome. I can play with a stick and some mud for hours and be totally good.

On Submission with Jennifer McGowan

Todays guest for the SHIT (Submission Hell - It's True) is fellow Class of 2k13 member - and Ohioan! - Jennifer McGowan. Yep, that makes this a SHIT WoW! (We're Ohio Writers). Jennifer is the author of MAID OF SECRETS, a tale of murder and intrigue in young Queen Elizabeth's court. MAID OF SECRETS is available today from Simon & Schuster.

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How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

I had submitted once before to a house on my own, and had gotten fairly far in the process before my manuscript was passed on, so I thought I knew a great deal. In fact, however, I knew next to nothing. I had to weigh my own insatiable need to know EVERYTHING with the desire to not irritate my agent within an inch of her life. I had no idea how long it could take, or how many steps a book had to go through prior to that sincerely awesome call to the author of “yes! We want your book.”

Did anything about the process surprise you?

How long three minutes can seem, since I seemed to be double checking my email about every 180 seconds for updates. I was ever so slightly neurotic throughout the process.

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

Honestly, I did not really do that research. I knew the houses, of course, and I did a cursory Google search whenever I had a name to work with, but in some cases I didn’t really know who was reading my manuscript. I had a basic list of the houses/editors that we were targeting, but despite my obsessive email checking, I tried not to get completely OCD about tracking the manuscript through every stage.

But I completely recommend DOING said research, and will the next time around.

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

I got my first rejections seemingly within moments ☺, but it took a little over a week before the good news started coming in. The entire process went, I’m told, fairly quickly: I went out on sub officially on February 8, received my first offer before the end of February, went into an auction scenario shortly after that, and had decided on an editor by March 2. I’m pretty sure those were the dates… it’s funny how much that sticks with you. ☺

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

Well, I tried to keep myself busy with my day job and freelance as much as possible, especially during the hours of 9 a.m.-5 p.m.. My weeks went like this: Mondays were high anxiety but low expectation; Tuesday, the anxiety lessened but expectation increased; Wednesday, the anxiety dipped again but expectation leveled off; Thursday, expectation and anxiety were lower but depression set in; Friday, expectation was low, anxiety was low, and depression was moderate. So the busier I could keep myself early in each week, the better. I was patently convinced that I would never hear anything on Mondays or Fridays, but I did finally get my first actual offer on a Friday.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

My agent (Alexandra Machinist—who is amazing) and I worked out a system where I asked her to only pass along the bad stuff when she had something good to share as well, unless I hadn’t heard anything for awhile (at which point I’d ask). I was able to manage the passes pretty well because there was always the hope of something else positive – someone had taken it to second reads, someone had commented that he/she was enjoying the book, etc.

For me, query rejections were harder. At the querying agents point, nobody has said “yes, your book is awesome. We heart it.” Whereas with editorial review, you know the book doesn’t completely suck, because your agent actually SIGNED you based on the book… so it’s just a matter of whether or not it’s a fit with a given house. It’s still not a walk in the park, but it’s not as hard.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

I got hysterical feedback, so for me it was more the case of thinking “um… okay!” My favorite comment: “We don’t print pulp.” I’d never thought of MAID OF SECRETS as being pulpy, but I was rather pleased. ☺ I thought “you GO, you little pulpy manuscript!” Other editors thought it was slow (while still others praised its pacing), or not dark enough (okay, no one thought of this book as dark). Interestingly, while some of the agents who offered representation were nervous about there being five girl spies instead of four, none of the actual editors felt that way. (Thank goodness).

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

The moment we got our first offer, I felt intense relief—I heard through my agent, who immediately contacted the other still-interested houses to set up an auction, which made for a fraught few days. I knew that it would come down to two houses in the end, and I’d spoken to both editors and they were both amazing. When we finally accepted an offer, it was exhilarating and exhausting. I connected with my new editor via email after the dust cleared, then collapsed.

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

Well, amusingly enough, I never had a Publishers Marketplace announcement on the book, which was extremely sad to me, since I’d been waiting for that happy moment for so long. But the circumstances were a little strange with my sale since my agent was changing houses in the midst of the process (note, I do not recommend this for your first sales experience!), so the announcement never happened. As a result, I didn’t feel like it was “real” for several weeks, and then I slowly began telling other people. Word eventually got out, and it all became increasingly real over the next several months!

NOTE: I’m now on submission with a new book, and let me tell you… that Monday-Friday schedule I mention above? It still completely holds. I wonder if it will ever get easier!