Interview with Daniel Waters, He of the Attractive Zombies

II'm lucky (or cunning) enough to have lured yet another successful writer over to my blog for an SAT - Successful Author Talk. SAT authors have conquered the query, slain the synopsis and attained the pinnacle of published. How'd they do it? Let's ask 'em!

Today's guest is Daniel Waters, author of the GENERATION DEAD series which includes GENERATION DEAD, KISS OF LIFE and PASSING STRANGE.  If you haven't read these books, you're missing out on the freshest (no pun intended) zombie take out there.  This series is so popular with my students that I had my arm twisted into adding a few questions to the normal SAT, which Daniel gamely answered.  And I have to add - are these not the most gorgeous covers you've ever seen?

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There are a lot of parallels between the treatment of "differently biotic" people in Generation Dead and the civil rights movement - zombies sit apart in the lunchroom, Tommy's act of joining the football team is met with a near riot, the public reaction to a Phoebe (a living girl) dating a zombie.  You do a good job of not hitting your point so hard that it's preachy and turns a teen reader off.  Did you purposely write the story to be didactic?  Or would you prefer it just be read for fun?

The literature I have always enjoyed most in my life is that which walks a balance between being fun and escapist and being "deep"; literature (or any art, really) that veers off too sharply to either side is unlikely to interest me.  I definitely wanted to raise moral questions in the book, but I wanted to do so in a framework that was fun and exciting to read--there's a lot in the series that is satirical, and I hope that the humor helps with that.

Even though zombies are the monster of the moment, the Generation Dead series has a very new and fresh take.  What was your inspiration for the story?

Zombies came later, believe it or not.  The inspiration from the story came directly out of a news magazine show on violence in schools.  The show shoed clips of young people hurting each other, with the main purpose being so that the bullies or/attackers could gain some sort of notoriety by posting the clips on YouTube.  This led me to think about the dozens of root causes for that type of violence--although most of it was completely senseless, much of the violence in schools is directed against kids who are different in some way. From there my mind just latched onto the idea that if zombies existed, they would be the most bullied kids in the school.

In this way, I'm always a little hesitant to confirm (or deny) when someone latches onto the stories as being representative of a particular plight of a marginalized group, because really I tried to underscore a whole host of reasons why people hate on each other rather than create an allegory around a specific issue.

Did you envision it as a series initially, or did it grow into one?

I knew from the moment I started it would be a series. I knew the exact beginning and I know the ending--which we haven't gotten to, yet.

Are you a Planner or Pantster?

As far as process, I'm a combination of both.  I typically start with a core concept, then I will write a chapter or two and work on it for awhile--the first chapter is critical--and from their I'll write a chapter by chapter outline which usually is around 30 pages or so. But the outline is sort of a roadmap that doesn't neccessarily have all of the itinerary plotted on it, so I give myself the freedom to go down a side road.

In terms of carving out writing time, I plan way ahead to give myself nice blocks, but I'm also good at "seizing the moment" and writing a page in the doctor's office or during halftime at my kids' soccer games.

How long does it typically take you to write a novel, start to finish?

I usually have a first draft in three or four months, but that is only after the idea has taken root in my mind.  From there, though, it can take anywhere from a month to a year getting it ready for publication.

Do you work on one project at a time, or are you a multi tasker?

I like to multitask up until the time that a project becomes so exciting to me that it crowds the other ones out of my head.

Did you have to overcome any fears that first time you sat down to write?

Not really.  None of my fears are related to the writing itself (and maybe I'm just blissfully ignorant that way).

How many trunked books (if any) did you have before you were agented?

The weird thing is that I was actually agented right out of college with my first manuscript, but after a couple failed attempts we parted ways after about a year and then I amassed twelve more currently trunked novels over the next fourteen years until I met my agent.  After things didn't work out I stopped submitting my work for awhile--there were other things going on in my life that made me want to avoid rejection!

Have you ever quit on an ms, and how did you know it was time?

I don't know that I have ever quit on one, although I've set many aside. Always my thought when doing so is "I am not ready or able to do this idea justice--yet".

Who is your agent and how did you get that "Yes!" out of them?

My agent is Al Zuckerman at Writers House.  I was referred to him by one of his current clients, who I called after I received an (unagented) offer from a publisher.  He loved my first chapter, and the things that he pointed out that I'd done wrong in the next couple chapters were so spot on and insightful that I knew I would learn a tremendous amount working with him.

How long did you query before landing your agent?

I kind of skipped this step.  I went to a workshop taught by industry professionals and workshopped my outline and first fifty pages of Generation Dead, and a few months later I had an offer from one of the editors who was teaching.

Any advice to aspiring writers out there on conquering query hell?

Worry about the work first.  In retrospect, I am so, so glad that I stopped submitting my work after my first experience; I never stopped writing, and for many years I wrote without the added burden and pressure of worrying about the business end of things.  When I thought my work was ready, I went out in the world and to a workshop and things happened fairly quickly from there.  Worry about the work first, and then when it is ready, try and go out and meet some industry pros who can maybe cut your curve to publication.

How did that feel, the first time you saw your book for sale?

It felt like validation.

How much input do you have on cover art?

Disney has kindly run concepts by me; I'm fortunate in that I've loved everything they have done.

What's something you learned from the process that surprised you?

That everything I imagined about how awesome being read has come to pass, and more.

How much of your own marketing do you?

I happily go wherever my publisher sends me, and I keep my own blog www.danielwaters.com and Tommy from the books keeps a blog at www.mysocalledundeath.com.  There's a Disney driven site at www.gendead.com. I'm on Facebook where I post frequently and my Twitter name is WatersDan but I've yet to tweet.

When do you build your platform? After an agent? Or should you be working before?

I don't know.  I'd love to say just worry about the work and  don't worry about a platform unless building it is something you find fun, but then I hear that it is increasingly attractive to publishers if an author helps push the product.

Do you think social media helps build your readership?

My readership?  Maybe.  There are many who do it far better than I do and I sometimes wish I had their personality and drive and ability to connect with people directly, which is something I think I struggle with is both real and virtual life.  I try to overcome my personality shortfall by offering free content through the character blog; it isn't by accident that Tommy's blog has something like 6 times the followers mine does.

Interview with J.T. Dutton

II'm lucky (or cunning) enough to have lured yet another successful writer over to my blog for an SAT - Successful Author Talk. SAT authors have conquered the query, slain the synopsis and attained the pinnacle of published. How'd they do it? Let's ask 'em!

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Today's guest is J. T. (Jen) Dutton.  J.T. is originally from Connecticut but moved to the Midwest after receiving her BA from Skidmore College and her MFA from the University of Alaska, Fairbanks.  She and her husband both teach writing at Hiram College in Ohio.  Jen is the author of two novels for teens: FREAKED (HarperTeen 2009) which VOYA described as employing “a sharp wit” and being “a hoot” and STRANDED (HarperTeen 2010) which Kirkus Reviews claimed “will change the way readers think about "good" girls.” 

Are you a Planner or Pantster?

I wrote the first drafts of my first two novels by the seat of my pants, which was an approach I inherited from the MFA program I attended. “Plot” was a dirty word in that environment, the idea being that if a writer understands a character than the “truth” of their story emerges organically in a literary and surprising way.

I am converting into more of a planner, though, for two reasons: I know many unpublished writers with good ideas and pages and pages of character development and no novel; and I know many successful published writers who use formulas to no detriment to the literary value of their writing. Plot arcs are hard and using models and planning methods to work through them seems like an intelligent way to finish what I start.

How long does it typically take you to write a novel, start to finish?

FREAKED, my first novel took 12 years, STRANDED took me 2. Realistically, I think 3 years is a good amount of time, but I’d like to whittle that number down.

Do you work on one project at a time, or are you a multi tasker?

I’m a multi-tasker. I don’t even think my thoughts one at a time. I’m cooking spaghetti and helping my son with his homework while I write my responses to this interview.

Did you have to overcome any fears that first time you sat down to write?

Yup. And the last time too.

How many trunked books (if any) did you have before you were agented?

FREAKED was my first novel.

Have you ever quit on an ms, and how did you know it was time?

I have switched setting, plot, or the point of view but I haven’t entirely quit on any manuscript. I think “not quitting” has helped my career.

Who is your agent and how did you get that "Yes!" out of them?

My agent is Jodie Rhodes. I sent her a blind query. She read my first two chapters and asked to see more. She took and sold the manuscript in a couple of days.

I don’t think my query was very winning, to be honest. I found an agent who read through her slush pile and liked the chapters I’d attached (which I’d spent a lot of time on). She liked the whole book even more. She warned me before she took me that I had a lot to learn about marketing myself and I’ve been trying. Now that I know some of the ins and outs, I realize I placed a book with an agent despite my best efforts. I was lucky.

How long did you query before landing your agent?

I sent out a bazillion queries and got a yes within two months.

Any advice to aspiring writers out there on conquering query hell?

Rejection can feel like a current pulling you under but the descent is an illusion. You are the one who gives yourself permission to succeed or fail. You. And you do that by asking the best of yourself and not giving up.

How did that feel, the first time you saw your book for sale?

Oh—it’s a good feeling, believe me.

How much input do you have on cover art?

The publisher asked my thoughts on both books and I mumbled something about dancing bears and cornfields but my ideas were nowhere near as cool as the finished products. A lot of professional people go into the creation of a novel. The author is just one of them. It is pretty exciting, standing back and watching the graphic artists do their thing.

What's something you learned from the process that surprised you?

How similar the inside of HarperCollins Children’s was to the English Department of the Universities I’ve worked in. You can go from office to cubicle and never run out of interesting well-read people to talk to. It’s very laid back and warm.

How much of your own marketing do you do? Do you have a blog / site / Twitter? (I'll insert the links here)?

I briefly started a more related to the ups and downs of having a son with Aspergers than anything having to do with writing. I am on Twitter, MySpace, Goodreads, and Facebook —all in an effort to get my name out there a little. I also schedule readings, signings and workshops when I can fit them in.

When do you build your platform? After an agent? Or should you be working before?

Platforms are a necessary evil even though the whole marketing topic can feel like a buzz kill when all you want to be as an artist. I’d love to be a writer with no eye toward sales—a pure entity if I didn’t think my publisher/agent would drop me for the insurrection.

The part of platform building I do like is the stuff that has to do with meeting other writers and talking to people about books they’ve read and the ideas they’ve had. If only marketing could be more like a cocktail party, I’d be completely down with that.

Do you think social media helps build your readership?

Social media (for me) can be as a consumptive as it is productive. I’ve connected with a few readers I might not have reached, but I’ve also wasted writing time watching funny YouTube videos on Facebook. Balance is the key.

A Conversation with Kendare Blake & Mindy McGinnis

Today I've got something a bit different for you.  An agency mate of mine, Kendare Blake, author of ANNA DRESSED IN BLOOD, offered to do an SAT (Successful Author Talk) for me.  Once we'd exchanged a few emails we realized that we were interviewing each other, and decided to do a little freestylin'.  So you get a little back and forth here today, Q&A with both Kendare and I sharing our experiences of writing, queries, agent hunting and publishing.

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How long have you been writing? And why this genre?

I wrote my first novel-length work of fiction in the 7th grade. It was about a boy and his horse, sort of a My Friend Flicka rip-off. I called it Master of the Mustangs. Of course the other kids at school called it, Masturbator of the Mustangs, so the title was obviously a problem. As far as genre goes, I try not to genre-lize. After ANNA DRESSED IN BLOOD, I might be called a "horror writer" and that's okay. There are worse things to be called. But I write the genre that wants to be written.

What about you? Did you consciously choose YA? And when was that moment when you decided, well, this is it, I'm going to try to get published?

I've been writing for about ten years, and no I started out writing adult fiction. Serendipity landed me a job as a YA librarian in a high school and I thought - well, I'm immersed in the market and spending 40 a week with the target audience... guess I'll try YA! Publication was always the goal, from the beginning. I've never said I just write for myself - I wanted that validation of being published. So yeah, I've been sending out queries for ten years.

How long have you been agent hunting? At any point where you like, "Yeah apparently I suck and should give up and die?"

I almost can't remember. Sure, there's a spreadsheet documenting part of the sub process, but I know there was more. But it fades. I definitely remember that it sucked at times. Oh, it sucks. Being on sub for anything sucks. I used to give myself ultimatums, and then welch on them. I think looking back that submitting to literary magazines was more soul-crushing than looking for an agent. There were so many times when I thought, well shit, I'm never going to get this just right. I'll never have the right project, at the right time, for the right person. And then, after messing up and commiting the typical flubs of subbing too soon, addressing a sub to the wrong Sara, etc., I all of a sudden did have the right project. This whole thing is 70% blood, sweat and talent, 30% out of your control. Those percentages might be off, but you get the drift.

After finding the spreadsheet, I can tell you that actual sub numbers for ANNA DRESSED IN BLOOD were low. Six sent. Three rejections outright. Three fulls. Two offers.

So Mindy, speaking of flubs, any you'd care to share? Ever hit that send button and then scream, "Balls!" when you realized you sent it to the wrong place/wrong attachment, etc? And how did you go about compiling your sub list? Everyone has different preferences, but what about an agent really caught your eye?

Ha, yeah. I had a request for the full and attached the wrong manuscript one time. I didn't even know it until I went back to my "Sent" folder to move it into my "God I Hope this Works Out For Me Someday" folder and I just went, "Really? Really, Mindy - you did that?! DUMBASS!" Luckily, agents are people too, so I just sent a following email saying, "Uh, sorry. Don't read that one. It sucks." Or something along those lines. I also didn't realize that once you get the "Your Message Has Been Sent" screen, if you hit refresh (which I was doing for some reason) it sends your email AGAIN. So whoops. Sorry to those twenty or so agents that I bombarded with double queries. I emailed them again and told them to feel free to reject me twice. They all settled for once, though.

For my query list I used sites like QueryTracker, AgentQuery and also two great blogs that do agent interviews and contests - Mother. Write. (Repeat) and Miss Snark's First Victim. Unlike you (jealous, jealous, can you smell us?) I sent out a crap ton of queries before finding my agent. I definitely look for an interest in both humor and grit - which is a hard mix. The ms I snagged my agent with is very dark and bleak, but I've got one loaded with snark up my sleeve too, so I had to be sure to find someone who was going to fit me for the duration, not just the project at hand.

So, Kendare, you submitted to lit magazines at one point your career? Did you get any takers? Do you think that was an important part of your journey as a writer and did it seem to carry weight in your query letters to agents?

First of all, thanks for the heads up about the resending if you hit refresh. I did not know that. I wonder if I ever did it by accident. Anyway, I don't know if the magazine credits carried weight with agents. I know that it generally does if you write literary. And lots of writers have entire careers of short stories. I have a special fondness for those writers and it sort of bugs me when people rag on them to write novels, as if what they're doing isn't awesome enough. But I digress. I placed second in one literary competition. But I had better luck with dark fantasy and horror. I do think it was important. I know I enjoyed it, and I hope to get back to some short fiction soon. But it's absolutely not necessary! If all your tales turn out to be novels, more power to you!

You said you've got another manuscript up your sleeve already. Is this one you had previously written, or is it new? I know everyone has different pacing and process, but can you describe yours? How fast or slow do you like to go?

I do have another ms up my sleeve, or rather, hiding in my closet. It's a previously written YA, that took a few beatings from betas and was knocked unconscious once or twice during the querying process. It's a child of my heart, and I'm in love with it, so hopefully I can breathe new life into it now that I don't feel the crush of the agent hunt and can focus more.

Pacing and process? I've done a "word vomit" and coughed up a novel in as short as three months, but others, like the ms that landed my agent, was more of a nine month regurgitation period. My process varies according to what the project is telling me to do - some novels I've got all planned out in my head (although I never have a physical outline), and others I've honestly sat down at the laptop and said, "Ok book, what happens now?" I've also had characters do or say things I wasn't planning on. A supporting character the ms I'm revising for Adriann right now did something shocking at a pivotal moment - and I was like, "Awesome move, lady!! I did not see that coming but you totally just created the perfect motivation for my other characters...." So, there are times when I feel like I'm not necessary - I'm just channeling my character's stories.

What's you, Kendare? What’s your process? And do you feel an affinity for certain projects that differs from the next? My first YA is my baby, the ms I'm revising is my red headed stepchild.

Like you, I've been known to word vomit. I think my record is a novel in 17 days, but it was stilted and crappy. But I think that was less about the time it took than just having the wrong story. Six months later I found the right way to tell it and now it's the lead-in to the series I want to write after ANNA DRESSED IN BLOOD and the sequel.  Lately though, books have taken me about four to five months to write. I don't plot, so I can never be sure. When I started writing Anna's sequel, it was mid-October and I gave myself a deadline for sometime in February. As I started, I wasn't sure where it was going; I was definitely glad I hadn't signed on for a trilogy. But by the end, I wanted to write a third.

I've heard there are people who can write a book in days and come out with publishable material. I know there are people out there who consistently write for years. And some differ from book to book. The important thing for every writer to remember is to be true to their own process. It's hard to hear about fast, successful writers and not think, "Oh shit! They're going to put out ten books a year and I'm only going to do one every three! They'll take all the publishing spots and leave none for me!" But don't think that. They won't.
As far as affinity for certain projects? Now that my time with Cas is over, I miss him. I think all writers get that. But we are human after all, and there's always another shiny ball to chase. I guess I remember them all with equal fondness, but the real writing drive is reserved for the project of the moment, which is, I suppose, the best place for it.