Interview with Jaye Robin Brown

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different.

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I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

Today's guest for the SHIT is Jaye Robin Brown, a OneFour Kid Lit member with her debut NO PLACE TO FALL coming from HarperCollins in 2014. Jaye is an early morning writer, a day-long high school art teacher, a night-time farmer, and an all-the-time free spirited animal lover. She's prone to fits of giggles, bad puns, and sarcastic banter. She loves coffee, good books, her dogs' sweet bellies, and time spent with friends. Most folks call her JRo. You can, too.

How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

Only what I knew from the Internet. But there’s no way to know exactly how crazy it’s going to make you until you’re in it. Part of it, I guess, is that it’s the closest you’ve ever been to SELLING a book. It’s really the final submission process. *cue The Final Countdown*

Did anything about the process surprise you?

The amount of angst and inner stalker that manifested totally surprised me. I actually went through the process twice, so this time (the second) I didn’t want to know anything. It was kind of like, “Just call me if you sell it or have enough information to suggest a revision.” In fact, I didn’t even know I was on submission until my now editor followed me on Twitter. I DM’ed my agent and was all, “Um, an editor at Harper Collins just followed me.” And my agent was like, “Oh yeah, she loves your book.” Then things got real!

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

I did with my first manuscript (on sub) and first agent. As for recommending it, I’d say it just depends on how you can tame your head monkeys. There’s a tendency to think every “I’m reading” tweet is directed toward your manuscript, which in reality is bunk. If you can take a step back and separate reality from the crazies, then I say go for it. But if you’re super neurotic, then maybe not.

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

Well, for the book that sold, the first editor who read ended up buying it and the process was relatively short. Less than a month and a half from sub to the PM announcement. On my first trip through Submission Hell, the responses ranged from 1 week to 5 months, through two small sub rounds and one minor revision.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

Without question, write another book! Keep those creative juices flowing and get your mind off it as much as you can. In my case, the book that first went out didn’t sell. But the book I wrote while it was out on submission did sell! What if I hadn’t written that book?

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

Strangely enough it was better than query rejection because most of the editors had nice things to say, even though it wasn’t what they were looking for. It was thrilling for me that real, live, NYC editors were reading my words. Amazing! Of course, as you get more rejections and no one is buying it’s depressing. But my first manuscript is an odd story, and I feel like it may have some life left in it. I’m not losing hope anyway.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

So, back to the first manuscript. The first small round had some comments in common which I tried to address through revision. But some of the comments were simply about what the market could handle and I grew to realize it was less about me and my story and more about straight up business. That made it both tolerable and infuriating. I missed a trend and that was not something I could fix through revision. At least not easily. It was a good lesson in looking at publishing through a lens greater than my writer’s lens.

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

My agent sent me an e-mail on a Friday afternoon that said something like “I’ve got happy news, let’s schedule a call for Monday.” And I was hyperventilating and flash e-mailed her back - “What! I have to wait all weekend? Are you trying to kill me?” She immediately e-mailed back and told me to call her then. She told me my editor loved the book, but wanted to talk about potential revisions and make sure we were on the same page. When I got off the phone I scared my dogs with crazy screams and jumping gymnastics!

The actual news of the offer came on the first day of the 2012 SCBWI Carolinas Conference. All day I was checking my phone because I knew my book was in an acquisitions meeting. The whole day went by with nothing. I finally went up to my hotel room around 5pm, and sometime during the elevator ride the e-mail came. My writing buddy, YA writer Jen McConnel, was in the room with me when I saw the offer in my e-mail. Then I got to share the news, secretly of course, with all of my friends at the conference. It. Was. Great. So perfect to be surrounded by people that got it!

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

No, not too terribly long. I think the details took another week, maybe two and as soon as we accepted the deal, my agent told me I could blab. That was a Friday and my PM announcement went in over the weekend. I felt lucky because I know other people who’ve had to wait for months and months to announce.

On Submission with Stephanie Diaz

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different. I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

Today's guest has been in the mire along with me for quite awhile. Stephanie Diaz and I met on AgentQueryConnect and I knew as soon as I read the first few chapters of her work that she was going to make it. I'm thrilled to tell you that her YA Sci-Fi title EXTRACTION will be available from St. Martin's in 2014.

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How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

I'm one of those people who devoured interviews about writers and submission (many of them found on this blog) before (and while) I was out on sub, so I went into the process feeling fairly knowledgeable. And my agent did a great job keeping me in the loop.

Did anything about the process surprise you?

Even though I knew a lot about the process, I was still surprised by how difficult it was to deal with on an emotional level. Yes, I was mostly okay, but there were a number of times when I kept imagining people reading my book and hating it to the point where they wanted to throw their computer at a wall. I also couldn't stop comparing my book to other books on the market. (Don't do that.)

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

I'm 100% guilty of researching editors. Twitter and google were my homeboys. It definitely made me more on edge. Once you look up a twitter account once, it's easy to end up checking it obsessively. I'd recommend steering clear of research if you can.

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

It's hard for me to say because my agent sent me batch responses as opposed to individual ones. Two weeks in, we hadn't heard from anyone. Four weeks in, we had a fair number of rejections but also some interest from a major press. About two and a half weeks later, we had an offer. There were still a couple editors we hadn't heard from by the time we accepted.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

Hundreds of people have said this before me, but it's simple: write, write, write, and keep on writing. The only reason I stayed (relatively) sane through the process was because I had a new novel to focus on, a new world and new characters I believed it. I was also lucky that NaNoWriMo happened during my submission time, so I had encouragement to work on said novel. You can also take the time to read more books and hang out with people IRL. That will also help.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

I'm not gonna lie, the rejections were tough. In my case I was lucky because I found out about interest at the same time as the rejections, but I was very aware that “interest” did not automatically lead to “pub deal.” The rejections still made me worried, perhaps even more so than query rejections. Querying a pub is a one-time gig for a particular novel. You don't usually get a second chance, whereas when querying agents you can sometimes revise the novel and send it out again. So, that gave me quite a bit of anxiety during the process.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

The majority of my submission responses cited the same reason for rejection: the market. My book has dystopian vibes that made editors wary, but most of them had lovely things to say about my writing. In this case, the feedback was easier to process than beta reader's because it came down to a lack of passion for the story. My agent and I still thought the story was strong and where it needed to be. Thankfully an editor ended up agreeing!

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

It felt AMAZING. My agent had set a closing date for offers during the week of Thanksgiving, so I knew I was going to find out on a particular day. It was also a school day. I was on my way out the door when I received an email that the phones were out of commission in my agent's office, but we had an offer. I squealed a bit and quickly arranged to call my agent as soon as I got to campus. The twenty-five minute car drive was full of smiles and blasting music out my windows. I got to school, called my agent, and we went through all the details. I called my mom right afterward, and then I had to go to class and pretend to be focused. I stayed silent about it that whole day, but the news was bursting out of my chest.

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

We accepted the offer the next day, and then I had to wait about a week to spill the beans. It was difficult because this week fell right during Thanksgiving Break, when I didn't have as much to keep me busy. But I told my family, as well as my closest friends and writing buddies, so I didn't have to stay completely silent. When the news went up on Publisher's Marketplace I was ecstatic, though.

On Submission with Elsie Chapman

Today's guest for the SHIT (Submission Hell - It's True) is fellow Friday the Thirteener Elsie Chapman, author of DUALED (Feb. 26, 2013 / Random House) featuring West Grayer, a fifteen year old assassin who lives in a gated city where everyone has a double, a virtual twin, an Alternate. Within this oasis of safety from the wars without, where there is limited space and even less resources, only one Alt is allowed to survive. When it’s time to kill her own Alt before her Alt kills her, West has to face the hardest Assignment of all–herself.

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How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

Enough to know I was signing up for some serious torture. I spent a lot of time online and on Absolute Write just reading and researching and learning from others’ experiences. Especially those who ended up not selling. I think, deep down, I was trying to prepare myself for that very real possibility.

Did anything about the process surprise you?

The very real emotional whipping you go through. Not that it’s ever a personal rejection—only of that particular work, at that particular time, with that particular editor. Having read so much about that, you think you’re set to go, that you can handle it. But it doesn’t make it easier. You don’t really have a choice but to develop a super thick skin and realize it’s just one more part of it.

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

I did do some research, actually. Just a quick google to see what else they’d acquired in the past, or what they were currently looking for. I don’t know if I’d recommend it, to be honest. At that point, your book is completely out of your hands. An online search will either drive you nuts with worry or give you an inflated sense of hope. At the same time, I think it’s almost impossible not to look them up. I guess it come down to knowing yourself and what you can deal with.

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

It varied from a few days to a few weeks.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

I think you’ll get the same answer from every writer because it’s absolutely true: start writing something else. You need to just immerse yourself in something brand new and get your mind off what is no longer under your control. It’s good incentive to just keep at it.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

Rejections are tough, but at the same time, they help you build that thick skin. That’s the only way you can really look at it and be able to bounce back. They differ from query rejections because they can mean the end of the line for your book with a certain editor or house. It means maybe coming so very close but falling just short. It can be incredibly disheartening.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

Feedback is the one bright side to rejection. And coming from an editor’s perspective, it can mean the difference between your book selling or not selling. But reactions are also very subjective, so I’d talk everything over with my agent before deciding how to approach any suggestions. In terms of beta readers, I’ve never used one before. Eeps. `

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

It was the most amazing feeling in the world! I don’t think I stopped grinning all day! I’m on the west coast, so I got an email from my agent one morning to wake up and call him right away. I knew things had been in the works, so I was pretty sure it was good news. He told me over the phone, and it was an absolutely fantastic moment! Then I had to go make breakfast for the kids before they went to school, just like any morning. Except I was also going to be a published author, so it really was a crazy, surreal day.

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

I waited until I got the okay from my agent, and that was it. I think it was just a matter of days. I was so happy I didn’t have to wait any longer than that. I kept running up to my husband and just poking and squealing at him, so he was probably going a bit insane.