On Submission with Mary Elizabeth Summer

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different.I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

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Today's guest for the SHIT is Mary Elizabeth Summer, author of TRUST ME, I'M LYING. She contributes to the delinquency of minors by writing books about unruly teenagers with criminal leanings. She has a BA in creative writing from Wells College, and her philosophy on life is "you can never go wrong with sriracha sauce." She lives in Portland Oregon with her partner, their daughter, and their evil overlor—er, cat. TRUST ME, I'M LYING is her debut novel.

How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

Nothing. Nada. Did no research. I went in totally blind.

Did anything about the process surprise you?

I figured there would be rejections. I did not realize that it would take editors months to respond, and that when they did, they’d have a thoroughly detailed list of exactly what they didn’t like about the book. I could have asked my agent not to send me the rejections, but I’m glad I did see them, because I was able to pick out a common thread among the rejections. I then edited my ms part way through the submission process, and my agent sent the updated version to the editors who hadn’t responded yet. I credit that mid-submission edit with getting me a book deal.

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

I followed them on Twitter. No, I don’t recommend it. Also, if you follow your agent on Twitter, I recommend unfollowing her/him during your submission time. You will freak out every time s/he says there’s an offer on the table, even though you know they have, like, thirty other clients. Had I to do it over again, though, I’d probably ignore my own advice, so there’s that.

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

It varied so widely. I didn’t start getting rejections for a month or two. But some editors didn’t respond until seven months in, and only then because I had an offer on the table.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

Everyone says this, but it is so true: Write something else. Really. First of all, it is the only thing that will be able to distract you from how your current book is doing. Secondly, you will not have time to write it later. Trust me. Write another two books, if you can.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

I drank a lot. I kid, I kid. Mostly. ☺ I actually take rejection pretty well. All of the rejections were couched in the nicest way (editors are super nice, y’all), and that helped to soothe the sting of the rejection. Plus, I always look at it like I can learn something from it, which usually makes me feel better, as if the rejection wasn’t in vain.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

First, I’d skim the rejection quickly. Then close it and do something else for a while. Then I’d open it again and really read it, trying to parse out what their objections were, whether I agreed with their comments, and how I’d try to change the parts in question if I could. Following that process is what enabled me to figure out the common thread in all the rejections that I was then able to rectify and resubmit. Getting the same kind of feedback from a beta reader is far less ouchy, so I don’t generally need to skim first—I can dive right into deep reading/parsing.

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

My agent called me, and I believe I said something along the lines of “I think I’m going to barf.” She told me to wait until after she told me all the details. (I <3 my agent.) To be honest, it felt utterly euphoric. There’s no feeling in the world quite like it.

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

I didn’t have to wait long—a week, I think. My editor wanted me to wait for it to be announced in Publisher’s Weekly. But I did tell my friends and family, so waiting a week to publically announce it just seemed like drawing out the celebration for a few extra weeks. But I feel for people who have to wait months to announce. I consider it cruel and unusual, personally.

On Submission with Christine Kohler

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different. I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

Today's guest is debut Christine Kohler, whose title NO SURRENDER SOLDIER is available from Merit Press (Adams Media/ F+W Media), now!

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How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

Though NO SURRENDER SOLDIER is my debut YA novel, I have been writing professionally for 30 years, with 16 children’s books in different genres and ages prior to this novel. I was very fortunate in high school to have had a mentor, Norma Atkins, who had been a journalist and a radio advertising writer and executive.

Did anything about the process surprise you?

My first question in submitting my first book in the early 1980s was what to do about illustrations. I had asked a magazine editor and he offered me a job. I took the job and called someone else who said not to worry about illustrations, just sell the text. So I sold that picture story book to the second publisher I sent it to, then sold them a series.  

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

Absolutely I recommend researching editors. In the case of NO SURRENDER SOLDIER, even though I had an agent at Curtis Brown Ltd., I still kept an eye out for new YA imprints. When I read the announcement that Adams Media/F+W Media was starting Merit Press and had hired the Jacquelyn Mitchard as executive editor, I e-mailed my agent in Spring 2012 and suggested she submit my contemporary YA novel GRIDIRON GIRLS. What I didn’t know was that my agent was not only leaving Curtis Brown, but agenting. By Fall 2012 I had forgotten about the e-mail, but hadn’t forgotten about Jackie at Merit Press. I e-mailed and asked if I could submit without an agent. She said, “Yes,” and I submitted NO SURRENDER SOLDIER.    

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

When I’ve sold a book, I’ve heard back from the editor quickly.

What do you think is the best way for an author with a ms. out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

It is easy to say to put it out of your mind and get to work on something else, but as one who tends to obsess, I’d be a hypocrite to say it’s easy.  

How did you deal rejections emotionally? How did ms. rejections compare to query rejections?

Query rejections just roll off me; they are to be expected in this business. I receive a high percentage of personalize rejection letters, and most of the time it’s a matter of “not what I’m looking for at this time.”

The most difficult rejections are ones where there has been a “maybe,” especially if I do pre-contract revisions, then a rejection. The several times this has happened I’ve spent one to two years in pre-contract revisions, I felt a huge let-down to point of depression, and I’m not one who normally gets depressed.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

It depends on the feedback and not on who gives it. If I get feedback that seems off, as if the person didn’t get my work, then the first day I rant until I peel myself off the ceiling and sort out what is useful and what is way off base. But if I get a really good, hard critique then I love it, embrace it, and break it down into specific points.

NO SURRENDER SOLDIER is a good example. I had submitted NO SURRENDER SOLDIER to Christy Ottaviano at Henry Holt years ago. She sent me a one-page revision letter and said she was interested in acquiring NO SURRENDER SOLDIER if I would revise it pre-contract. I still have that letter, even though at the end of the year when I re-submitted Christy had to turn it down because she was going home to have another baby and cut back on her list. (She now has her own imprint.)

When my Curtis Brown agent read NO SURRENDER SOLDIER she loved it and gave me a 14-page revision letter. It was great! I will always be grateful to her for that critique. I revised NO SURRENDER SOLDIER once more then submitted it to Jackie, who offered me a contract. My ms. was so well polished by that point that I only had a light 10-point easy revision letter from Ashley, an editor at Merit Press, before it was printed.      

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out--email, phone, smoke signal?

Although Jackie Mitchard and I had talked a couple of times on the phone before NO SURRENDER SOLDIER went to the committee, when they accepted it Jackie e-mailed me right away, “We got a yes!” Without a doubt I was excited, but my husband constantly tells me I’m not allowed to celebrate until I cash the check. (Then we still don’t celebrate.) I have actually signed contracts and then editors have been laid off and I’ve been paid a kill fee, so that’s why he feels this way. But still, yeah, I was excited, yet anxious to negotiate and sign the contract.

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

No one asked me to stay mum, but I did on my own for the reasons I just explained. Yes, it is always hard for me to sit on a secret.

On Submission with R.C. Lewis

Today's guest for the SHIT (Submission Hell, It's True) is my tried and true crit partner RC Lewis, author of STITCHING SNOW, her forthcoming 2014 Hyperion debut. In her honor, I've had to rename the SHIT for today, because as you'll see, her story is more of a Submission Heaven. But I think it's good for authors to see that these whirlwind success stories do happen... but you have to remember that RC's whirlwind was based on years of solid writing and more than a few manuscripts that had been passed on by agents - the calm before the storm, you might say.

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How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

Quite a bit, actually, thanks to friends who’d gone through it in the year or two before I did. (Um, such as Mindy.)

Did anything about the process surprise you?

That it went so fast. I was geared up for long waits and frustration ... basically the Query Trenches, Round Two. With earlier manuscripts, I spent upwards of a year querying one, waiting on fulls and partials, etc. Not so in this case. Sometimes it’s glacial migration, and sometimes it’s a flash flood.

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

I didn’t exactly. My agent gave me a one-line tidbit about each editor she submitted to. Like “Edited (Book X), is awesome, is building (Y type of story) in her list.” That was enough for me, but each writer needs to know their own comfort level. Some like digging into all the possible information, but some would go batty. (Or battier than we already are.)

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

There was an offer on the table after less than two weeks, which naturally meant the other editors still reading rumbled into motion. Within about another week, we had a done deal.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

Distraction! Work on your new manuscript, catch up on your to-be-read pile, critique for others, throw yourself into non-writing-related hobbies. And remember the lessons learned while querying. Things can move slowly, and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes it takes one round of submissions. Sometimes it takes two or three. Sometimes the book that landed your agent won’t be the one that sells. 

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

I was unusually fortunate in this case. Since the first offer came so quickly, the rejections felt less like a “No” and more like “Not a Yes.” Does that make any sense? I didn’t have to deal with the intense stings of many query/full rejections I’d had in the past.

But I’m keeping in mind that a single book deal does not mean I’m locked in for life.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

Not really applicable in my case. :) But I talked to a couple offering editors on the phone, and we discussed the direction they were thinking of for revisions. Editorial feedback isn’t too different from working through things with critique partners, though sometimes you can feel the higher stakes. It’s all about working together to reach the best novel possible.

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

I got word of the first offer when my agent emailed me so I’d get online for chat. We had more than one offer, though, so in the end I guess I was the one saying yes. Weird position to be in!

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

I didn’t end up having to wait too long. The deal was announced in the Publisher’s Weekly Children’s Bookshelf newsletter, so I just had to wait for that to go out before firing off the confetti cannons.