Natasha Sinel On Taking Feedback From Rejections

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different. I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

Today's guest for the SHIT is Natasha Sinel, author of THE FIX, which is about the fixes we rely on to cope with our most shameful secrets and the hope and fear that comes with meeting someone who challenges us to come clean. Natasha writes from her home on a dirt road in Northern Westchester, NY. She drives her kids around all afternoon but in her head, she’s still in high school and hopes no one near her can read minds. You can find her on Twitter or Facebook. THE FIX is her first novel.

How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

I’d never realized that an editor goes through so many approvals in order to make an offer. I thought if an editor loved a manuscript, then she could make an offer right away. It makes sense, then, that an editor has to really fall in love with a manuscript to want to go through all those hoops.

Did anything about the process surprise you?

It surprised me that a few editors never responded to my agent, even though they’d expressed interest and had requested the manuscript. Even a one-sentence “no thank you” or “not for me” would have been better than crickets.

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

I’ll admit to Googling, reading interviews, Twitter-stalking. On the one hand, I learned so much about the publishing world by reading up on editors, and found some new favorite authors this way. On the other hand, it was not useful to see cryptic tweets, read into every word, and wonder if they were talking about my manuscript.

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

A couple of passes came within a couple of weeks. Some never responded—one of these crushed me since I’d had a conference critique with him and I thought he seemed to connect with the manuscript. But, I’d say the average response time was six weeks.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

At first I wanted every answer that came in as soon as my agent got it. But I found that a pass popping up in my inbox at random times was a surefire way to ruin a perfectly good day. So, I asked my agent to let me know only if there was something positive. A couple of times, I caved and asked her if she’d gotten any news, and then she’d forward a pass if she’d received one. But at least that way I was prepared.

Everyone says that diving into a new project is the best way to deal with anxiety while on sub. I agree—if you can do that. I wasn’t particularly successful at it. I did a lot of reading, though. And errands.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

At first the rejections were kind of exciting! It was amazing that an editor at a real publishing house had read my manuscript (or part of it, at least), considered it seriously, and had taken the time to compose a thoughtful response. After a while, though, the thrill faded a bit and the passes would start to break my heart—particularly if it was an editor who I thought would be a great fit or if the comments were so incredibly positive and then would end with a BUT…(for example, “I was enthralled and it reminds me of Eleanor & Park but…” —that one resulted in some tears and chocolate consumption).

The editor passes were much easier to handle than query rejections, though, because I had my agent on my team.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

I really appreciated feedback from editors when they offered solid ways to improve the manuscript. One editor passed because she had a book coming out with a similar theme (this is why I prefer to call them passes, because it doesn’t always feel like a rejection), but she went on to give a few suggestions on plot and character that were so helpful, I ended up revising the manuscript based on her comments.

In general, when I receive feedback, whether from an editor or from a beta reader, I appreciate the time they’ve taken, and then try to take a step back to consider what resonates with me and what doesn’t. When an editor (or beta reader) points something out that isn’t working or could be improved upon and I agree, then I have no choice but to change it. If I don’t feel like I would’ve written it that way, though, then I won’t do it. I made that mistake in another manuscript, and I cringed when I re-read it. It felt like someone else had written those parts (and not in a good way). Now, I make sure that there is not a single sentence or scene or character trait that could make me cringe on a read-through.

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

I had some heads up from my agent that stuff was happening—the editor loved my manuscript but needed to bring it to the editorial meeting, and after that, the publisher. I had no idea how long that would take. Knowing the business, I was prepared to wait months. And there was always that chance she wouldn’t get the okay to make an offer. But she did! My agent called the day before my birthday, while I was feeling sorry for myself that I’d have to spend yet another birthday with no book deal. When I saw my agent’s name on my phone, I told myself, she might be calling to say it was a no. But when I answered, she said “This is the call!” I was sort of in shock. It’s overwhelming to get what you’ve always wanted. And then I called family and friends, and with each call it felt more real, and then I was ecstatic.

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

From the time I got the offer to the time I announced was about six weeks, which is actually pretty fast. Once the contract was signed, the Publishers Marketplace announcement came out a few days later. Before that, I was allowed to tell people close to me, I just couldn’t put it on the Internet until the PM announcement came out. That part of the waiting was so much less difficult than any other period of the process. I had a signed contract, and I knew it was happening!

On Submission with Amy McNulty

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different. I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

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Today's guest is Amy McNulty, author of Nobody’s Goddess (Book One in The Never Veil Series), coming April 21st, 2015 from Month9Books.

How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

As much as I could possibly find out! I usually feel better about things I have little control over when I exert at least some level of control, and keeping informed was about the only thing I could do at that point. I scoured the Internet for any author submission experiences and that’s actually how I found this blog. (This SHIT series is easily the most informative on the web!)

We’re told to be careful about saying we’re on submission because an editor might like your manuscript a year into the process, google you and discover some tweet or blog post from long before about you starting submissions. Then she realizes a.) she was far from your first choice and b.) lots of other editors have probably said no to you at that point, so maybe the book isn’t as hot a property as she thought. So it’s hard to find out much about submissions until an author has been through it all, and even then, the author can’t exactly air all of the details. Still, I had a general idea.

Did anything about the process surprise you?

I guess the need for secrecy did. Obviously, I know authors can’t share details while editors are considering the manuscript and contracts are pending, but it really hadn’t occurred to me that an editor who might be interested could be discouraged from buying your manuscript because she discovered you’d started submissions long before she read it. There are so many factors that need to come together to get an offer, and that’s about the only thing the author has any control over. (Besides writing a great book and finding a good agent, of course!)

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

I wanted to know what imprints my agent was contacting and which ones requested it, but I didn’t feel the need to know names at that stage. (I would just spend too much time researching those editor’s deals if I did.) My agent did share some of the names when we heard back with positive comments or got rejections. With the ones who seemed hopeful, I sure did research their names, looked at what they bought and how often they bought titles, and found interviews with them. (Like after I got an R&R, I found an interview with that editor saying she rarely offered that, and an R&R meant she was really interested, so I got my hopes up!)

It helped me feel a little more involved, but at the same time, it made it harder when the eventual rejections came in, so if you can handle that, sure, do some research. Your time is better spent working on the next manuscript, of course. (But be honest, it’s harder to write when you’re distracted with the thought of an email maybe appearing in your inbox that might change your life—or send you back to square one.)

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

My agent managed to get some really fast replies, in my opinion! I’d say on average, we heard back within two to three weeks. (The outright rejections came in quickest.) I probably waited no longer than two to three months for any response, other than ones who wound up being no-responders.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

I know I’m supposed to say write the next manuscript and I do believe that. Sometimes it’s really hard to write in that frame of mind, though. So if you’re not going to be writing, get away from your email inbox as much as you can and have fun! Distract yourself with hobbies and friends.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

Maybe it’s just because you passed the first hurtle, but I found that editor rejections were often more detailed than query rejections, which was nice. They were almost unilaterally complimentary and kind, pointing out what they liked as well as what didn’t work for them, so that really cushioned the blow. The worst were the rejections that came after an R&R or after at least after expressing some interest or saying they were getting second reads. I got a couple of those right before I went to an ALA con (as a member of the public, not a librarian), about a year into the submission process and after a couple of major rewrites. I found myself surrounded with books and authors who’d accomplished my dream and I almost started to cry before remembering the fact that I was there as a reader, and I was there to cheer other authors on. I eventually did start focusing on my next project, thinking I might have to shelve my first one, and that’s when we finally got an offer!

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

We got a lot of feedback, but there was almost nothing that was the same from one editor to the next except one thing that a few editors mentioned—the one thing I refused to budge on. (Eventually I made the inclusion less jarring thanks to my editors’ help, but part of the reason I went with Month9Books is because they got the manuscript and didn’t think an integral part of my novel needed to be replaced with something else.)

As for the rest, I chalked it up to individual tastes. I think when I got feedback from my beta readers, I was more apt to change things, especially when it came to clarification. However, when I started getting feedback from many people and what they liked and didn’t like clashed with each other’s opinions, I felt like there was no way to satisfy them all, so I had to just go with my gut. Between that, my agent’s guidance and doing our own big revision after the R&R failed, I think we got the manuscript to a good place. (It’s since been through a few more revisions post-offer, of course!)

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

I was at the airport with my boyfriend on my way to NYC to visit my boyfriend’s family when I checked my email and my agent told me Georgia McBride of Month9Books shared it with her team and there was positive feedback and she anticipated an offer was forthcoming. That wasn’t quite the same thing as an offer—and by then, I’d been close before and I was worried something would fall through (even though this was the owner of the imprint saying this, who wouldn’t have to get approval from higher-ups!)—but I almost felt like I left my body. I was euphoric all day, and it helped me not have to deal with my usual travel anxiety. I saw my agent during that trip and we discussed the idea of going with Month9Books, and when Georgia officially offered a few weeks later (another email moment, once I was back home with my feet on the ground), we accepted!

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

Yes! It was really hard! We finalized the contract and made the official announcement a little over three months after the offer, four months after that first “anticipating an offer” moment. Oh, boy, was it hard to keep quiet! Of course, I told my loved ones I could tell in person, but I had to settle for rewarding myself with an extra cookie after dinner while I kept quiet.

On Submission with Catherine Doyle

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different. I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to
answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

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Today's guest for the SHIT is Catherine Doyle, author of VENDETTA, coming from Scholastic Inc, on February 24th, 2015. Catherine was born in the West of Ireland in 1990. As a child she was an annoying smarty-pants with an overactive imagination. She feels lucky to have now found a healthy outlet for her tendency to make up stories.

How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

Absolutely nothing. I had spent so much time and energy worrying about getting an agent when it came time to submit to publishers I was kind of like “Whaaaaat? There’s more?” I couldn’t have been any less prepared, which I’m very happy about in hindsight.

Did anything about the process surprise you?

I was surprised at how much conferring and discussing goes on when publishers are considering your book. I thought it would be similar to agent submissions – an editor gets a book (“oooh, interesting book. I’ll just cancel everything and read this immediately”), they like the book (“sweet book, I like it and that’s all that matters”), they offer for the book (“OK, I’ll just make up a number in my head”). THEN EVERYTHING IS GOLDEN. Nope. It was way more complicated than that. Even when an interested editor declared himself or herself, I had to wait to see whether this interest would be converted into an offer, or whether ultimately they would pass.

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

I didn’t research them. If I let myself think about it too much I probably would have ended up cyber-stalking their every move and driving myself insane before my inevitable implosion.

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

Because I live in Ireland and my agent, Claire, is based in London, and VENDETTA takes place in Chicago, we submitted the MS to publishing houses in both the UK and US at the same time. We started hearing back from editors within the first couple of weeks, though I think editors in the US were not as quick as those in the UK.

Within the first week or so, we received a pre-empt offer from Random House, Germany. I had no idea what this meant (so Germany wants to buy the whole book? Wait, how did Germany find out? What exactly are translation rights?) We weren’t out on foreign rights submission, but it appears someone in the North American side who was about to make an offer tipped off their German scout (it all sounded so clandestine to me, though in reality it was probably just someone sending someone else an email saying “hey, check this out”). The very first offer we received for VENDETTA was the pre-empt for German rights, which we accepted. Once we updated the editors who were considering the MS, things started to speed up.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

Two words: Duvet fort. Or, OR, if you want to remain a productive member of society during this time, that’s fine too. I would say it’s important to take your mind off it. Start working on something else – keep writing, keep reading. Keep busy. Surround yourself with good friends and family, and remember that the submission process, while important and exciting, is just one part of your whole life. Concentrate on those other parts, and remember to look at the bigger picture, especially when the rejections roll in.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

My agent didn’t dwell on the rejections, and I’m glad of that. I really don’t know how many there were. She forwarded me a couple of ones that were really nice and positive. I would say these rejections were easier to deal with compared to query rejections. By the submission stage, you know your book has real potential – after all, you secured an agent, so that’s a big deal! And now the two of you are in this together, so it’s less lonely and soul-destroying.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

VENDETTA does contain some violence, so the feedback from a couple of the more family-friendly publishers was very specific about this. I understand it’s not a book for everyone, but in this case, I knew it wasn’t something I was prepared to compromise on. Not that I’m a violence-loving sociopath (heh heh heh…), but my feeling has always been if I’m going to write about the criminal underworld, and the Mafia in particular, then I can’t shy away from the realities of this world. It just wasn’t a good fit, and I was OK with that. Other feedback about certain plot points and character names being a little too similar to certain parts of the Sopranos (which I hadn’t seen much of at the time) was very helpful, and I made sure to change all those things.

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

I love the idea of finding out by way of smoke signal. Imagine if it was carried out in the same way they pick the new Pope in the Vatican. Black smoke, black smoke, black smoke, white smoke – wait, WHITE SMOKE. WHITE SMOKE, PEOPLE. I’M GOING TO BE PUBLISHED. OK, I digress…

When I got the email from my agent with the offer from the publishers I ended up going with, I was in my bedroom. I couldn’t believe it! Barry Cunningham is the guy who discovered J.K. Rowling when he was at Bloomsbury and I had just written about him in my thesis at college. I ran downstairs squealing, looking for someone ANYONE to celebrate with.

Then my brother, who had been painting a neighbor’s house all day, pulled into the driveway at that exact moment, and I thought YES – HE’LL DO! When he came through the door I word vomited in his face about the offer and how I was going to keel over with excitement and how my dream had come true and how I didn’t know what to do, and I was just standing there, jumping up and down like maniac, flailing my arms, waiting for him to freak out with me.

He slow-blinked, took one long, bewildered look at me, released a heavy sigh, and informed me he was starving and so he absolutely had to make a sandwich STAT before he could process anything I had just said. I followed him into the kitchen and waited (still jumping up and down) while he made two giant sandwiches (“Oh, OK, I’m getting a celebratory sandwich? I can get on board with that.”). He then proceeded to eat the two sandwiches all by himself. When he was finished, and the light had returned to his eyes, he stood up and said “THAT’S AMAZING NEWS”, and we hugged and whooped and danced around the kitchen.

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

I didn’t have to wait before sharing. In the end when everything was being finalized I was on a flight to America and by the time I arrived, it was all done and dusted. So I met my friends at the baggage claim and told them and we just jumped around screaming and hugging in the middle of the airport for a while. It was nice, if a little noise disruptive.