On Submission with Laurie Crompton

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different. I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

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Today's guest for the SHIT is Laurie Crompton author of ADRENALINE CRUSH (FSG/2014, Square Fish/2016), BLAZE (or Love in the Time of Supervillains), and THE REAL PROM QUEENS OF WESTFIELD HIGH (Sourcebooks/2013, 2014). Laurie graduated first in her class from St. John’s University with a BA in English and minor in Journalism. Since then she’s written for national magazines like ALLURE, survived a teaching stint at an all-boys high school, and appeared on Good Day New York several times as a Toy Expert. And yes, a ‘toy expert’ is an actual thing that people sometimes get to be.

How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

I was a very active member of Verla Kay’s Blueboards back before it merged with the SCBWI message board and I found it super educational. Thanks to that supportive online community I felt pretty well informed from the beginning. While querying agents I spent a lot of time on the blueboard in what we called The Trenches. Each month we’d start a new trench thread and then find new and creative ways to complain about how looooong response times were and how much we hated the sound of crickets in our inboxes. It was very cathartic; until someone kindly pointed out that the message boards were a public (and searchable) place and that maybe we should knock that whining shit off. So for editor submissions we all shifted our whining to private – ha! The trenches taught me that holding hands with others going through the submissions process is the best way to stay sane during the long wait.

Did anything about the process surprise you?

I thought that hearing that first yes from an editor meant that my waiting days were over. *cue maniacal laughter* My super-human ability to wait for news has come in handy again and again since getting my first book published. Even now, I have an eye on my email because I have a number of things in various stages that I’d love to get some good news on. Meanwhile, I’m trying to finish a draft on a really fun but challenging new project. It turns out that it was never just about hanging in there waiting to get my first ‘yes.’ Building a career has meant learning to ignore the things that are outside my control while I focus on writing.

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

Ha! I am quite skilled at editor stalking. It’s not something I’m proud of, and I’ve mostly given up the practice, but for a time I’d study editor’s bios as if they were tealeaves. Of course everything I saw just confirmed how PERFECT each editor was for my book and made the sting that much worse if they rejected my project. I’ve gotten much better at focusing on writing while on submission, but I’d be lying if I said I completely gave up stalking researching potential editors on our submissions lists.

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

In my (vast!) experience, hearing back from editors can take anywhere from one weekend to a few months. Sometimes a longer wait time meant my book was getting passed around for second reads or heading to acquisitions. And other times it just meant it was a longer wait time. It took nearly two years and several submission rounds to sell the third (!!!) book that I wrote. Then five months later my awesome agent sold the fourth book I wrote. So far that five-month wait has been the most lightning-fast thing that’s happened to me in publishing, so, yeah. *see super-human waiting ability mentioned above.* We often hear stories of fast sales and big auctions, but my slow, deliberate pace is just as valid and I suspect more common. As long as we continue to push ourselves to grow as writers we’ll get where we belong.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

Be kind to yourself and acknowledge that waiting to hear on submissions truly is a unique and torturous form of hell. I absolutely believe writing is both the cause and the cure and diving into another project is the best way to deal with the waiting. But sometimes being kind to yourself means doing other things like exercising or drawing or binge-watching Netflix. Submission hell is a no-judgment zone.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

In my (vast!) experience with rejections, I’ve found that the closer one gets to a ‘yes,’ the more the ‘no’s sting. On one hand it is great to hear that a book is worthy and just missed the mark for whatever small reason, but on the other hand, getting shot down at the acquisitions stage can be pretty painful when it happens. Like exercise, I’ve found that it’s the second day afterwards that the soreness really sets in. Riding out that pain is just part of getting to play the sport.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

I have awesome beta readers who I trust and so I’m accustomed to that thing where I push through defensiveness in order to see what is missing/unclear/wrong/badly written/garbage etc… I’ve had a few R&Rs (request to revise and resubmit) over the years and have never regretted diving back into a project with an editor’s feedback. I’m pretty grateful any time someone’s willing to read my work and help me improve it. Or even just read it, really – I’m sort of needy that way.

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

I knew we were going to acquisitions on a specific day and then I saw a bunch of hits on my website through my stat counter. I actually set up my webcam at my desk and hit ‘record’ when my agent’s number came up on my cellphone. Here’s a link to a small bit at the end of that phone call – needless to say I was pretty excited to hear the good news. 

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

I was very fortunate and got to share my news publically about a week after The Call. Which was good because after years of telling people I was a writer I was ready to explode with the happy news that I was about to become a published author. No matter what happens with submissions, as long as we continue writing we’re still writers. And that’s the very best part.

Chelsea Pitcher On Letting The Rejection Hurt... Then Moving On

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different. I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to
answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

Today's guest for the SHIT is Chelsea Pitcher. Chelsea is a karaoke-singing, ocean-worshipping Oregonian with a penchant for wicked faerie tales. She began gobbling up stories as soon as she could read, and especially enjoys delving into the darker places to see if she can draw out some light. She is the author of THE S-WORD (Simon and Schuster), THE LAST CHANGELING (Flux), and THE LAST FAERIE QUEEN (Flux 2015).

How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

Almost nothing! I knew publishing houses would be considering my work, but I was fairly clueless about imprints, second reads, acquisitions, etc. Luckily for me, I enjoy a good investigation, so I learned a lot while I was on sub. (And it never hurts to have author friends who’ve been through the process!)

Did anything about the process surprise you?

Oh, definitely. The timeframe can be hard to handle at first. Especially when some people get deals within three days, and others, three years! That’s why it’s so important to be doing other things while you’re on sub. If you put all your focus into one project, it will drive you up the walls.

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

I’ve peeked a little bit. I mean, what’s the harm in a simple Google search? A couple of minutes reading interviews? Checking a Twitter feed? Hopping over to Absolute Write . . . Yeah, it’s really easy to fall down that rabbit hole. And the farther you fall, chasing one particular editor, the more a rejection will feel like a piano falling on your head.

So search cautiously, my friends! I’m definitely a fan of being informed, but once you get that fluttery “OMG, WE WILL WORK PERFECTLY TOGETHER” feeling, run away. Because at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter if their Twitter feed is hilarious, you love the same band, and can both quote The Little Mermaid in its entirety. What matters is that they fall head-over-heels in love with your manuscript.

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

It really varies. The average would be maybe two months. But I’ve received responses within two weeks, or after six months. It all depends on the editor’s workload, their level of interest in your premise, and a myriad of other factors (is it conference season? Are they finishing a deadline of their own? Did they just request eight manuscripts?) Still, when you’re on sub, it’s hard not to check your email every few hours!

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

First and foremost: start working on your next book! Falling in love with a new project can so lessen the anxiety. But there are lots of ways to cope with the stress of submission (chocolate and margaritas are two suggestions I’ve heard, and I’ve certainly tried both!) But the truth is, what works for one person won’t always work for everyone.

For me, I’ve found that working out a lot helps lessen the stress of submission. I’m not exactly a person who works out regularly, but the first time I went on sub, it helped me a lot. So now it’s a part of my process (and that’s probably a good thing, considering how much time I spend sitting in a chair, typing away!)

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

Best advice for dealing with rejection? Don’t try to use logic to talk yourself out of an emotional reaction. Sure, you know it’s just one person’s opinion. Sure, you know reading is subjective. Still, rejection hurts. So allow yourself to grieve, cry if you want, feel angry if it helps you. And then, once you’ve let out all those negative emotions, you really will feel better. And all that logical “it’s just business” stuff will sink in.

As for querying vs. submission, it felt different at first. When you’re on sub, you feel so close to everything happening, and all you need is one yes. So each rejection felt like a door closing. Now, though, I’ve realized that “yes” is only about halfway up the mountain (because next you need good marketing, good reviews, good bookstore placement…) so agent and editor rejections feel much more similar. In both cases, it’s all about finding the person who can’t stop thinking about your work, who reads passages of your book out loud to their colleagues, who can’t stop taking about your writing. And if you found an agent who feels this way, that editor “yes” could be right around the corner!

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

When a beta reader says something that really resonates, you can dive into edits right away. With an editor, it’s trickier, because you’re already out on sub, and what one editor dislikes, another might love. It’s really best to wait for three (or more) editors to say the same thing, and then think about revisions.

Another thing to consider is, while beta readers will tell you what isn’t working in a story, editors might reject a story that is working for personal reasons. Maybe the book just didn’t resonate with them, or maybe they just bought something with a similar premise. And because they’re so busy, they can’t necessarily list all the reasons they have for rejecting a project. That’s why it’s so important to give your projects to betas before you go on submission. They’ll help you hammer out all the plot issues, the pacing, the characterization, so once your book lands on an editor’s desk, they’re less likely to reject your book because there’s something wrong with it.

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

It was surreal, shocking, startling, amazing! Both times, I got the news over the phone. And the first time, it just felt like a whirlwind, because we’d gone through second reads and acquisitions over the winter holiday, and I didn’t know about it. So when my agent called to give me the news, she didn’t just say they were passing the book up the chain; she said the book had reached the TOP!

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

Yes! We had to wait about two months (between verbal offer and written contract). Most authors I know have experienced the same thing. Even though a verbal offer is taken very seriously, there’s so much more to consider (advances, world rights, film rights, option clauses) and publishers often want all of this hammered out before anything is announced. And yes, it can definitely be hard to wait, but most people tell their close family members before they tell the world. So really, you get to reveal your news two times: once to the people closest to you, and once to everyone in the book world. Which makes for two celebrations instead of one!

Elle Cosimano On Subjectivity & The Submission Process

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different. I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to
answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

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Today's guest for the SHIT is Elle Cosimano. Elle sometimes writes in a tree house on the edge of the jungle on the Caribbean Sea. The rest of the time she finds inspiration in her very normal life in smalltown, Virginia. She writes stories about creepy, dark (and sometimes sexy) things that go bump in the night. Her debut, NEARLY GONE is available now, and the sequel NEARLY FOUND will release June 1.

How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

I had a pretty solid understanding of the process and what to expect. My agent, Sarah Davies, is a consummate professional. Once she was confident my manuscript was in top shape, we discussed the upcoming steps, reviewed her recommended submission list together, and discussed the likely timing of any potential replies. She was up front with me about what she perceived to be the benefits and challenges of the manuscript, taking into account the strength of our pitch as well as market conditions. Sarah was careful to ask about my comfort level with transparency during the process. Did I want to know the details of every bite and rejection as they came in, or would I be more comfortable with weekly updates with feedback boiled down to its most important points? When the manuscript was ushered off into submission land, I felt 100% comfortable that both my story and I were in the very best possible hands.

Did anything about the process surprise you?

YES! Something did surprise me, though in hindsight, I’m not really sure why. Reading a book, and connecting with it (or not connecting with it) is a very subjective experience. We see this all the time in reviews. Look up your very favorite books on Goodreads and check out the wide range of reactions. No two readers experience a book exactly the same way. And yet, I always manage to find myself surprised by the same broad range of reactions from editors when I’m on submission. One editor connects with the voice. Another may not connect with it strongly enough. One loves the pacing, another might feel it’s too slow. One likes the grittiness of the setting. Another might feel it’s too dark for his tastes. One loves the manuscript with reckless abandon and absolutely must have it for reasons she can’t quite articulate, where another likes it for many good points, but can’t find a compelling enough reason to bite. With every round of feedback, I am reminded that at their heart, editors are readers too, and not every book is a fit for every one.

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

I did. And I do. I tend to be very analytical (I come from a long career in business, sales and marketing) and I felt more comfortable knowing the names on my submission list up front. I trusted my agent to put the list together based on her many years of experience and her established relationships within the industry, but I wanted to familiarize myself with the people who would be reading my book, so that I could be prepared in the event of a phone call. If an editor is keen on a project, it’s not unusual for them to request a phone call with the author. Often, this is a “feeling out” call to determine if the editor and author share similar thoughts with regard to potential revisions, the direction of the marketing, and how compatible they might be working together toward those goals. I wanted to have a grasp on each editor’s list, the kinds of books they put into the world, and how those books are presented into the market. I wanted a chance to formulate my questions in advance.

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

My debut, NEARLY GONE, went on submission the week before Thanksgiving in 2011. Sarah warned me that this was a challenging time. With the holidays upon us, we might not expect prompt replies. She’d prepared me for the possibility that editors might be done reading new submissions, in order to wrap up existing deals and clear projects off their desks in time for winter vacations, and that even if they did read, many key decision makers might be unavailable. I knew we might not begin hearing back from editors until after the New Year. And in fact, the holiday period was quite slow. But as soon as offices opened in January, we received several enthusiastic replies, and a subsequent preempt from Kathy Dawson at Penguin.

With my next contract (HOLDING SMOKE, 2016), we went on submission with a full manuscript in mid-May 2014, and had our first of several offers by early June. By the end of June, I had accepted an offer with Emily Meehan at Disney*Hyperion. I’m very fortunate, and very grateful to my agent, that both of my submission experiences were quick and painless. I credit this entirely to my agent’s hands-on editorial guidance, the strength of her marketing and relationship skills, and the respect she has earned within the industry.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

Write something else. I know this is hard to do. I know how hard it is not to spend hours in front of the computer, clicking the refresh key. I’m guilty too. And if you’re like me, and it’s too hard to resist that temptation, then get up out of that chair and go do something else! I hit the beach with a good book, or go somewhere fun with my kids, or marathon Netflix shows I’m behind on.

I also lean heavily on my trusted critique partners, who are my most trusted friends. We can’t really talk openly while we’re on submission, (if you’re tweeting or blogging about the woes of your submission process, stop it right now! You’re shooting yourself in the foot, and probably making your agent wring his/her hands) but I think it’s important to have one or two close friends to bolster you through the waiting period.

Also, eat ice cream. Ice cream is okay, and I endorse it as a safe and trusted coping mechanism for the submission blues.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

I was actually okay with the manuscript rejections I received early on in the process. It’s understandable to me that not every editor would connect with the pitch (or even with my book). After all, they all have different preferences. I think the hardest rejections were the ones that happened during the acquisitions stage, when an editor loved the book, but wasn’t able to get the support of their publishing team. This happens for all kinds of reasons – often these are budget or market-driven – and nothing I or my agent could have controlled or done differently. It can be hard to be so close to the finishing line and have the hope ripped out from under you. But in the end, you need more than an editor as your champion. You also need the entire publishing house to be fully behind your book, to give it its best possible chance at success.

If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

I try to process all feedback the same way… take away the useful bits, and the pieces that will help me write a better book. Leave the things that feel like they come from a place of personal preference. Again, we all have different tastes, but I look for patterns in the feedback. If one person doesn’t like something, it doesn’t mean I should change the way I’m writing, or revise the book based on one person’s feedback. But if I start to see a pattern – if two or three editors or betas seem to be identifying similar issues – then I know it’s time to take a step back and look at my work more objectively.

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

I feel like any YES in this business is reason for celebration. But an offer to buy your book is a YES of a whole different magnitude. It’s the culmination of so many dreams, and sleepless nights, and tears, and sacrifices. It’s overcoming a million possible NOs. It is the greatest feeling imaginable. My agent calls when we have the official YES, and I am not ashamed to say I’ve cried every time.

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

Yes, we had to wait a bit, but not terribly long. We managed to have details ironed within a few days of accepting an offer. I was able to share my news with the world within a few weeks after, once the announcement was listed in PW.

And YES! The waiting is so hard! But that’s pretty much the answer to any question about publishing, isn’t it?