Debut Author Kim Long on the Submission Process

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different. I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

Today’s guest for the SHIT is Kim Long, author of Lexi Magill and the Teleportation Tournament.

How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself?

Very little! I knew there was a pitch letter from my agent and then, if the editor was interested, there would be a request for a full. Well, with my first agent, there was no request—she just emailed the full, which confused me. I would hear from other writers about “editor requests” and meanwhile I’d heard nothing on my end. I finally asked my then-agent, “Do we know if they’re reading?” Lol. I learned quickly (and this was back in 2015 when my first MG went on sub) that agents do things differently. This time around, I asked my agent straight out what her process was, how many editors she did in round one, when she would do a round 2, etc. I knew more, so I was able to ask more.

Did anything about the process surprise you?

Somewhat surprising that some editors wouldn’t respond to my agent’s pitch, even to say, “Not for me, thanks.” 

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

Sort of. I looked on Publisher’s Marketplace to see what they’d bought recently and I looked them up on Twitter, but I didn’t follow them or actively check their twitter feeds other than the first check to see who they were. I’m not sure I’d recommend or not recommend that approach. I like having information, so it was interesting to take a look, but in the end the info I collected wasn’t earth-shattering. 

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

With most, we heard if they would read in a week or so, but I can say that there was a good four-to-five week delay before we heard back from the editor who eventually offered (Allison Cohen at Running Press Kids)! Just timing, I suppose. Then, it was about three weeks later she told my agent (they actually met up in New York at Book Expo) she liked it. For editors who passed, I’d say we heard back within a couple weeks to a few months. There were some we did not hear back from, though. 

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

I know it’s cliché, but I’d have to go along with, “Write something else.” I wasn’t very anxious this last time around because I was already invested in another manuscript. I really felt like if this one didn’t sell, it wasn’t a huge letdown because I’d have something new to go out soon. Once it sunk in that it wasn’t an an all-or-nothing and there are other books to sub, the whole submission process was easier for me to handle.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

I have not had a single mean rejection (yet!). Most were very complimentary. It went to second reads a couple different places, but even with the straight rejects, it was either, “Love the concept, not the voice” or “Love the voice, not enthralled with the concept.” There was nothing to get to bummed out about. It was kind of like querying in that it was a shrug of the shoulder, and that was about it. The one difference was that, with agents, I could revenge query. With sub, I couldn’t, and a no from one editor at an imprint is a no from that imprint. There definitely was more of a feeling of a finite list of editors who could be subbed to, which certainly made me anxious from time to time.

 When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

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It was a very surreal experience, for sure. My agent met the editor at BEA, and she said she loved it and was going to take it to her team. To me, this sounded a lot like second reads, and well, as I had been down that road before, I was like, “Okay, fine.” Then my agent told me that this was more like acquisitions at this press, not just straight second reads, so I did start feeling a bit jittery. The week of the meeting came and went without us hearing anything . . .  which I actually took as a good sign because if it was a No, that’d be a quick email, right? Right? So the following Monday, I was at work, had a meeting, and when I got back to my office, I had a text from my agent, CALL ME. I grabbed my phone and went down to the building’s lounge area. Sure enough, OFFER!! It didn’t seem real at all!

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult?

Nope! Everything happened so, so quickly. The major terms were agreed to in about a week, and my agent said that they wanted to announce ASAP because my publication date would be Fall 2019. (Remember, this is late June, so Fall 2019 was not that far away!) It was funny because whenever I’d hear about books coming out in a year or so, I’d be like, “That’s such a long time from now.” But when I was told Fall 2019, my thought was, “Really, that soon?” Lol. Anyway, we announced maybe a week or two later!

And yes, there are times I still can’t believe it’s true! This was my second manuscript that went out on sub, and it’s actually the second time this manuscript was on sub, as my previous agent had lightly subbed it back in 2016. It’s been a long road, for sure, but I’m glad we didn’t give up on this manuscript and that it found a good home.

Kimberly Gabriel On Processing Editorial Criticism

If there's one thing that many aspiring writers have few clues about, it's the submission process. There are good reasons for that; authors aren't exactly encouraged to talk in detail about our own submission experiences, and - just like agent hunting - everyone's story is different. I managed to cobble together a few non-specific questions that some debut authors have agreed to answer (bless them). And so I bring you the submission interview series - Submission Hell - It's True. Yes, it's the SHIT.

Today’s guest for the SHIT is Kimberly Gabriel, author of Every Stolen Breath releasing today!

How much did you know about the submission process before you were out on subs yourself? 

Oh this one makes me laugh a little. As with every step I’ve taken in this industry, I *thought* I knew what I was getting myself into until I actually experienced it for myself. I’d had several friends go through the process, and I knew many writers who were also on sub while I was. That comraderie was wonderful to have, but it did very little to actually prepare me for the whole thing.

Did anything about the process surprise you?

Yes!! I was surprised by how long everything takes and how influential the marking aspect is. The deals you hear about the most are the ones that sell in a hot minute. And while Blink/HarperCollins showed interested relatively early on, my book went through a series of meetings spread out over several months (damn the holidays!) to get approved. I went on sub in early September, and Blink showed interest by the end of that month. The first sign of interest was a phone call to my agent asking me to rewrite my synopsis, create a marketing plan, change my title, and strengthen my online presence. This was all to help the acquisitions editor convince the other publishing teams, especially the marketing team, that my manuscript and I would be easy to promote. I had no idea what a marketing plan entailed or how to format/create a website. Luckily I had other writer friends to help me, and I got it all done within a few days of Blink’s request. Still, it wasn’t until January that they officially offered a contract. 

Did you research the editors you knew had your ms? Do you recommend doing that?

I didn’t. My agent took care of the research, and I knew I was in good hands. I went with the whole “ignorance is bliss” attitude, which I think helped. I never had my heart set on any one imprint or editor that I thought would be a perfect fit. That probably would have driven me a bit crazy. That said, now that I’ve been through it and I know so many more people who have worked with different editors and houses, I bet if I were to go on sub again, I would dive head first down the very dark rabbit hole and obsessively research every editor. (Not that I recommend doing so.)

What was the average amount of time it took to hear back from editors?

My agent only informed me when I asked about it. There were some editors that got back to us within a couple days with detailed feedback and a few that took a couple months. I was only out on submission for three months or so. Every couple weeks, my agent would have feedback from a small handful of editors when we’d chat. Meanwhile, we also kept hearing updates from my editor at Blink.

What do you think is the best way for an author out on submission to deal with the anxiety?

My agent heavily recommended that I work on my next book, and that really became my savior. I started falling in love with my WIP, and suddenly I wasn’t pinning all of my hopes and dreams of becoming published on the only manuscript I had written. Focusing on my next project also took up quite a bit of head space in the best way. It distracted me from focusing solely on whether or not Every Stolen Breath would be picked up.

If you had any rejections, how did you deal with that emotionally? How did this kind of rejection compare to query rejections?

Rejections on submission felt a bit more final than querying. Part of that is because there so many more agents than there are editors. If an agent rejects you, there are several hundred other agents you haven’t queried yet. Editors are fewer, and my agent and I decided we wouldn’t be submitting to everyone. We planned on one round of submissions. So each rejection carried quite a bit of weight. The only nice part about that was that unlike query rejections, almost every editor gave a specific reason as to why they weren’t picking my book up. I liked that part of it. 

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If you got feedback on a rejection, how did you process it? How do you compare processing an editor’s feedback as compared to a beta reader’s?

It’s harder to dismiss an editor’s feedback than a beta’s. I mean, this is what they do—and most of them do it pretty damn well. Many editors made good points, which helped me going into my revisions. One editor gave a harsh critique, and it stung—it took a while for me to shake that rejection. Luckily, my agent disagreed with him and talked me off the ledge. One of the reasons I think my book ultimately got published is that I’m pretty good at taking criticism and deciding when someone’s making a good point. Some of my best revisions came from implementing feedback given by agents and editors who made smart comments about what wasn’t working for them when they rejected my manuscript.

When you got your YES! how did that feel? How did you find out – email, telephone, smoke signal?

I knew the day Blink was having a final meeting about my book, so I kept my phone very close to me. At some point, my agent emailed me, asking when we could talk. I was in the middle of teaching and had to wait thirty very long minutes until my lunch, during which time I was completely worthless as a teacher. One girl had to literally repeat her question three times to me before it registered. When the bell rang and my agent finally called to tell me, I turned into an awkward mess of crying, shaking, and giggling all at once. I’d been writing and pursuing publication for ten years, and then to get picked up by HarperCollins? I still get teary-eyed thinking about it.

Did you have to wait a period of time before sharing your big news, because of details being ironed out? Was that difficult? 

YES!!! This was something else I never knew was a thing. I found out in January and couldn’t share it until my announcement in April (!!). So if we’re counting months, the entire process took eight months: I went on sub in September; Blink showed interest in September; they had a series of meetings every 2-4 weeks until they offered the contract in January; and I couldn’t say anything until April. For someone who’s terrible at keeping secrets, it was excruciating.

Kelly Coon On Success After 106 Rejections

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Today's guest is Kelly Coon, author of the YA fantasy Gravemaidens, which recounts the tale of two sisters come on a 16 year old healer's apprentice who wants to save the dying ruler of her city state, and then Nanaea, Kamani's little sister who will be buried alive as the ruler's bride if he dies. Kelly joined me today to talk about how to make a fantasy stand out in the crowded YA market by making her female main character have understated strength.

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