Charles Salzberg on What I Was Thinking If I Had Been Thinking

Inspiration is a funny thing. It can come to us like a lightning bolt, through the lyrics of a song, or in the fog of a dream. Ask any writer where their stories come from and you’ll get a myriad of answers, and in that vein I created the WHAT (What the Hell Are you Thinking?) interview. 

Today’s guest for the WHAT is Charles Salzberg, author of Man on the Run, which releases on April 18

Ideas for our books can come from just about anywhere, and sometimes even we can’t pinpoint exactly how or why. Did you have a specific origin point for your book?

I do. Three years ago, I wrote a novel called Second Story Man, about a master burglar, Francis Hoyt, and the two lawmen, a recently retired Connecticut State investigator and a recently suspended Cuban-American Miami cop, who aim to bring him to justice. Without giving too much of a spoiler, at the end of the novel Hoyt “walks away” from any consequences which essential turns him into a fugitive. I had no intention of ever writing another novel with Hoyt in it and, in fact, my next novel, Canary in the Coal Mine, had nothing to do with Hoyt or breaking and entering. When I finished Canary, I was looking for my next novel, but the more I thought about it the more I began to wonder what would happen to a guy like Hoyt when he’s on the run? He'd have to abandon the East Coast, where he was arrested, but where would he go and what would he do. The question haunted me until I finally figured out that by writing my next novel about him, I could answer that question. Hence, the inspiration for Man on the Run came from Second Story Man.

Once the original concept existed, how did you build a plot around it?

I’m one of those writers who never outlines his books. In fact, not only do I not know what’s going to happen in the next chapter, I don’t even know what’s going to happen in the next paragraph. So, I usually start with the what if question. First, I decided where he’d wind up: the West Coast. The rest of the plot came directly from the pandemic. Not writing about the pandemic, or even mentioning it, but rather relating to what I did during the lock-down, which was listen to dozens and dozens of true crime podcasts. Finally, it got to the point where I decided that one of my main characters would be a female former journalist who has a true crime podcast. And then, what if that podcaster happened to be doing a series on master burglar Francis Hoyt? And what if Hoyt found out about it? What would he do? And at the same time, what if Hoyt was approached by someone to pull a job—a big one? And so, with those elements of the story, I was able to weave a plot, as I wrote.

Have you ever had the plot firmly in place, only to find it changing as the story moved from your mind to paper?

That sounds like a bit of a nightmare and no, that’s never happened to me—probably because I don’t have the whole story when I start. But I have had characters “run away from me.” By that I mean the characters begin to take on a life of their own and they refuse to do or say something I might want them to. When it gets to that point, if it gets to that point, it’s a good thing because it means I’ve created real, flesh and blood characters with a mind of their own. I stop manipulating them and they start manipulating themselves.

Do story ideas come to you often, or is fresh material hard to come by?

I’m not really very much of a “story” guy. I usually start with a character of a situation and then, if I have something to say about it, the plot will start to develop. So, I’d have to say that story ideas don’t come to me too often, but thank goodness characters do.

How do you choose which story to write next, if you’ve got more than one percolating?

It’s more like the story choosing me rather than me choosing the story. I can sometimes decide I want to write something on a certain subject—like writing a novel that takes place in the world or rare books, or Hollywood movies, or even based on stories people have told me. For instance, in one of the classes I teach I had a student named Julia Scully, who led a fascinating life—mostly in the world of photography. Her life story was so amazing that I asked her if I could use part of it for the Swann novel I was working on, and she said yes. By the way, she’s 94 now (she lives across the street from me) and I highly recommend her amazing memoir, Outside Passage, about growing up in Alaska during the Depression.

I have 6 cats and a Dalmatian (seriously, check my Instagram feed) and I usually have at least one or two snuggling with me when I write. Do you have a writing buddy, or do you find it distracting?

Unless you count my alter-ego, who’s usually too lazy to sit with me in front of the computer, I work alone. Which is probably a good thing, since I get distracted very easily and will jump at any opportunity not to write.

After a successful career as a magazine journalist for New York Magazine, Esquire, GQ, Redbook, New York Times etc., book reviewer, nonfiction book writer, Charles Salzberg made a move to fulfilling that dream of becoming a novelist when his first novel, Swann’s Last Song, was published and wound up being nominated for a Shamus Award for Best First PI Novel. After losing, he swore he’d keep writing crime novels until he won something. After four more novels in the Henry Swann series, he wrote two successful stand-alone novels, Devil in the Hole (named one of the best crime novels of 2013 by Suspense Magazine) and Second Story Man (nominated for another Shamus and a David Award, both of which, true to form, he lost). He finally broke the losing streak when Second Story Man was named winner of the Beverly Hills Book Award. He’s also published three novellas, to be found in the collections Triple Shot, Three Strikes and Third Degree. He teaches writing in New York City, is a Founding Member of New York Writers Workshop, and is on the boards of PrisonWrites and Mystery Writers of America-NY.

Chad Boudreaux on Creating A Different Kind of Scavenger Hunt

Inspiration is a funny thing. It can come to us like a lightning bolt, through the lyrics of a song, or in the fog of a dream. Ask any writer where their stories come from and you’ll get a myriad of answers, and in that vein I created the WHAT (What the Hell Are you Thinking?) interview. 

Today’s guest for the WHAT is Chad Boudreaux, author of Scavenger Hunt which releases on January 31

Ideas for our books can come from just about anywhere, and sometimes even we can’t pinpoint exactly how or why. Did you have a specific origin point for your book?

The specific origin point for my novel Scavenger Hunt is a hidden eighth floor of the Main Justice Building in Washington, D.C. Main Justice is headquarters for many of the top U.S. lawyers, including the U.S. Attorney General and U.S. Solicitor General. The elevators at Main Justice, however, only reach the seventh floor. But there are eight sets of windows. That seemed strange to me back in 2002, when I started work there, so I conducted research on the building and unearthed no clues. Coming up short, I sought out a man who’d worked at Main Justice for several decades—a silver-haired institutionalist—and he told me that, before they built the FBI building (across the street), the eighth floor had served as the old FBI ballistics lab. He said there was a secret staircase that led to the eighth floor, which was now more of a utility floor. Mesmerized by this news, I grabbed a custodian with access to the staircase, a flashlight, and a notepad and ventured to the hidden floor. Many of the notes I doodled on that notepad are now in Chapter Two of Scavenger Hunt.

Once the original concept existed, how did you build a plot around it?

I figured the secret eighth floor at the Justice Department would provide the perfect meeting place for a clandestine, illegal operation staffed by amazing counterterrorism operatives from disparate agencies. The group consists of a Rambo-like figure from Delta Force, a former CIA operative with a questionable past, and a beautiful and stealth woman—a shadow—from NSA. All that remained was placing my all-star group in a theatre of unimaginable danger facing unspeakable tragedy. Beyond that, I introduced the real-life tensions inherent with combatting terrorism in a constitutional republic underpinned with strong individual rights. Readers will find that, throughout the story, I take them to cool spots in the Nation’s capital and pull back the curtain a bit on how things work in the mysterious U.S. intelligence, legal, and law enforcement communities. All that rounds out a plot that, if I’ve done my job, provides the platform for an entertaining, unforgettable story. 

Have you ever had the plot firmly in place, only to find it changing as the story moved from your mind to paper?

My mischievous characters do whatever they can to turn my original outline on its head. I will have a story plotted in my brain, but I rarely can predict how my characters will respond when I place them in theater, trap them in a box, and tell them to escape from the box. Stephen King mentions this phenomenon in his classic book On Writing, and when I first read it, I rolled my eyes at the thought of characters having minds of their own. But now I know that great characters will surprise you, and sometimes you must let them do their own thing, even if that means changing the story. My protagonist in Scavenger Hunt, Blake Hudson, is a fairly composed young man . . . or so I thought until someone messed with his four-legged best friend. I’m still shocked at how Blake responded to certain events in the book, and his actions when left unsupervised changed the novel’s trajectory and ending.   

Do story ideas come to you often, or is fresh material hard to come by?

Presently, I have five stories in my head. Story ideas come easy, putting them on the shelf is hard. Great stories will haunt you if you don’t tell them, so eventually authors must memorialize, nurture, and finish them. Many of my story ideas come while exercising and listening to fast-paced music. One of my recommendations to writers of fiction who struggle with finding and holding stories is to assign sticky titles to bubbling ideas. For instance, I had an idea recently for a story that was vague and ephemeral. I assigned it a title: The Puppeteer. Because I gave the idea a title, my mind had a solid reference point to revisit, and now it’s developing into a compelling story.  

How do you choose which story to write next, if you’ve got more than one percolating?

I suspect there is some business savvy inherent in prioritizing stories. My artsy answer is that the next story in the queue knocks the loudest. For example, I plan to write more novels in the Scavenger Hunt series, and many ask if my second novel is a sequel. It’s not. My second novel will be a thriller outside the series. I’m not sure if that makes the best business sense, but—although I desire to sell a ton of books—I’m not writing novels for fame or money, and I had to write that non-sequel thriller next. It just kept knocking, knocking, knocking loudly—driving me mad!

I have 6 cats and a Dalmatian (seriously, check my Instagram feed) and I usually have at least one or two snuggling with me when I write. Do you have a writing buddy, or do you find it distracting?

My writing buddy for Scavenger Hunt was my bestie and the only real character in the novel: my Great Dane, Judge. Judge died of cancer several years ago, and his death broke my heart into pieces. I haven’t mustered the courage to adopt or buy another dog, so Eddie Vedder and Pearl Jam remain my primary writing buddies.

Before becoming Executive Vice President & Chief Legal Officer of the nation’s largest military shipbuilder, Chad Boudreaux served as Deputy Chief of Staff for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, where he advised Secretary Michael Chertoff on almost all significant matters facing the newly established department.  Before working for Homeland Security, Boudreaux served in several high-ranking positions at the U.S. Justice Department, where he was hired the night before the September 11, 2001 attacks. During his time at the Justice Department, Boudreaux focused most of his time on matters relating to terrorism and homeland security.  Boudreaux graduated from Baylor University in Texas in 1995 and from the University of Memphis School of Law in 1998, where he was Managing Editor of the law review. 

Priscilla Paton on Nailing Inspiration

Inspiration is a funny thing. It can come to us like a lightning bolt, through the lyrics of a song, or in the fog of a dream. Ask any writer where their stories come from and you’ll get a myriad of answers, and in that vein I created the WHAT (What the Hell Are you Thinking?) interview. 

Today’s guest for the WHAT is Priscilla Paton, author of When the House Burns which releases on February 14, 2023

Ideas for our books can come from just about anywhere, and sometimes even we can’t pinpoint exactly how or why. Did you have a specific origin point for your book?

My mysteries are inspired by a real circumstances and crimes: instances of data theft and crimes against children for my first mystery, Where Privacy Dies, and drug dealing and sex trafficking for Should Grace Fail. Also, I serve on local nonprofits who support marginalized people and see data about abuse, homelessness, addiction, and mental health issues. That all sounds like a sensible beginning, but to tell the truth, “origins” remain mysterious. When I was beginning the Twin Cities series, the name for the male detective, “Erik Jansson” came immediately, though I had to work out his age, family situation, and experience. Then Deb Metzger burst out in full form, like Athena from the head of Zeus. Deb is like that.

When I started researching the newest book, When the House Burns, I had a different topic in mind—not the housing crisis and arson that are featured. What turned my interest around was the murder of a real estate agent in the region, though my fiction does not use the specifics of that crime. I was juggling my first concept (which may be used later) and the death of a realtor when it became evident during the Covid Pandemic shutdown that the basement of my residence had become toxic. I had to move. Suddenly having to pack unsettles the mind greatly, and new ideas came out of that experience. By the way, I put toxic basements to sinister use in When the House Burns

In addition, research tosses up fascinating stuff. In researching arson, I came across a Harvard Business Review article (to sum it up would be a spoiler) that sent my plot in a fresh direction. 

Yes, the subconscious or subliminal does make contributions. I decided to call a woman character, “Karma,” and the concept of karma ends up reverberating with other characters. My detectives, Erik Jansson and Deb Metzger, are a volatile match. Erik, who can seem like a boy scout, is devious with a sly humor. Deb, who’s lesbian, is outspoken and impulsive. I let them loose through free writing to see where their banter goes. 

Once the original concept existed, how did you build a plot around it? 

With pain and agony. I have a few central points in mind, like the original crime scene and key scenes of conflict and action. Again, real life offers examples: I read about conflicts over real housing proposals, from absurd to serious, and also learned about a former ammunition plant site being prepped for development, a situation that had its own convoluted plotline.

I start as a pantser and after I have a chunk of crude draft start outlining.  (Only my outlines are cut and paste jobs, rewritten several times.) Then I set up a large white-board calendar to clarify which characters are involved on which days—this also prevents me from having three Mondays in a row. It’s a two steps forward and one step-in-a-hole process for me to construct an evidence trail and developments among the characters that work together to advance plot and therefore story.

Have you ever had the plot firmly in place, only to find it changing as the story moved from your mind to paper?

I don’t think of my plot as firmly in place until I reach the line-revision stage. I’ve had characters significantly change in early drafts, which influences their motives and actions. For example, in When the House Burns, I first had a passive uncertain man, Edward. Edward morphed into Rafe Edward, and Rafe is driven and clever and dreams of vengeance and love. His boss, though, calls him ‘Edward’ to put Rafe in his place, which only incites Rafe to—well, you’ll have to read the book. 

Do story ideas come to you often, or is fresh material hard to come by?

I used to be a literary scholar reflecting carefully on what others wrote. It’s still a challenge for me to move into a quicker procreative mode, and I have to release my irreverent alter ego to have at it. Going out in the world helps, too. As other writers have noted, you don’t need to start with a big idea. A detail about a person you see, or a situation like a toxic basement, can spin out into more. It’s like catching fluff from the air and then making yourself stay at the computer until you’ve nailed that fluff to a premise. It’s hard nailing fluff.

How do you choose which story to write next, if you’ve got more than one percolating?

As noted above, this happened to me with When the House Burns. I found that one topic kept me writing longer than the other, so it’s organic, or I’m like a dog. I go with the one that feeds me first.

I have 6 cats and a Dalmatian (seriously, check my Instagram feed) and I usually have at least one or two snuggling with me when I write. Do you have a writing buddy, or do you find it distracting?

I’m pet-less at the moment, but two of my writing spots overlook bird feeders. One’s near the Mississippi River, a major flyway and home to eagles. It releases the imagination to see an eagle cruise by.

When I’m desk weary, I stretch and take music breaks. I leave periodically to eavesdrop on people in coffeeshops where there happen to be yummy treats. Writing requires profundity and treats.

Priscilla Paton writes mysteries set in the greater Minneapolis/St. Paul area. Priscilla grew up on a dairy farm in Maine. She received a B.A. from Bowdoin College, a Ph.D. in English Literature from Boston College, was a college professor and taught in Kansas, Texas, Florida, Ohio, and Minnesota. She has previously published a children’s book, Howard and the Sitter Surprise, and a book on Robert Frost and Andrew Wyeth, Abandoned New England. She married into the Midwest and lives with her husband in Northfield, Minnesota. When not writing, she participates in community advocacy and literacy programs, takes photos of birds, and contemplates (fictional) murder.