A Conversation with Kendare Blake & Mindy McGinnis

Today I've got something a bit different for you.  An agency mate of mine, Kendare Blake, author of ANNA DRESSED IN BLOOD, offered to do an SAT (Successful Author Talk) for me.  Once we'd exchanged a few emails we realized that we were interviewing each other, and decided to do a little freestylin'.  So you get a little back and forth here today, Q&A with both Kendare and I sharing our experiences of writing, queries, agent hunting and publishing.

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How long have you been writing? And why this genre?

I wrote my first novel-length work of fiction in the 7th grade. It was about a boy and his horse, sort of a My Friend Flicka rip-off. I called it Master of the Mustangs. Of course the other kids at school called it, Masturbator of the Mustangs, so the title was obviously a problem. As far as genre goes, I try not to genre-lize. After ANNA DRESSED IN BLOOD, I might be called a "horror writer" and that's okay. There are worse things to be called. But I write the genre that wants to be written.

What about you? Did you consciously choose YA? And when was that moment when you decided, well, this is it, I'm going to try to get published?

I've been writing for about ten years, and no I started out writing adult fiction. Serendipity landed me a job as a YA librarian in a high school and I thought - well, I'm immersed in the market and spending 40 a week with the target audience... guess I'll try YA! Publication was always the goal, from the beginning. I've never said I just write for myself - I wanted that validation of being published. So yeah, I've been sending out queries for ten years.

How long have you been agent hunting? At any point where you like, "Yeah apparently I suck and should give up and die?"

I almost can't remember. Sure, there's a spreadsheet documenting part of the sub process, but I know there was more. But it fades. I definitely remember that it sucked at times. Oh, it sucks. Being on sub for anything sucks. I used to give myself ultimatums, and then welch on them. I think looking back that submitting to literary magazines was more soul-crushing than looking for an agent. There were so many times when I thought, well shit, I'm never going to get this just right. I'll never have the right project, at the right time, for the right person. And then, after messing up and commiting the typical flubs of subbing too soon, addressing a sub to the wrong Sara, etc., I all of a sudden did have the right project. This whole thing is 70% blood, sweat and talent, 30% out of your control. Those percentages might be off, but you get the drift.

After finding the spreadsheet, I can tell you that actual sub numbers for ANNA DRESSED IN BLOOD were low. Six sent. Three rejections outright. Three fulls. Two offers.

So Mindy, speaking of flubs, any you'd care to share? Ever hit that send button and then scream, "Balls!" when you realized you sent it to the wrong place/wrong attachment, etc? And how did you go about compiling your sub list? Everyone has different preferences, but what about an agent really caught your eye?

Ha, yeah. I had a request for the full and attached the wrong manuscript one time. I didn't even know it until I went back to my "Sent" folder to move it into my "God I Hope this Works Out For Me Someday" folder and I just went, "Really? Really, Mindy - you did that?! DUMBASS!" Luckily, agents are people too, so I just sent a following email saying, "Uh, sorry. Don't read that one. It sucks." Or something along those lines. I also didn't realize that once you get the "Your Message Has Been Sent" screen, if you hit refresh (which I was doing for some reason) it sends your email AGAIN. So whoops. Sorry to those twenty or so agents that I bombarded with double queries. I emailed them again and told them to feel free to reject me twice. They all settled for once, though.

For my query list I used sites like QueryTracker, AgentQuery and also two great blogs that do agent interviews and contests - Mother. Write. (Repeat) and Miss Snark's First Victim. Unlike you (jealous, jealous, can you smell us?) I sent out a crap ton of queries before finding my agent. I definitely look for an interest in both humor and grit - which is a hard mix. The ms I snagged my agent with is very dark and bleak, but I've got one loaded with snark up my sleeve too, so I had to be sure to find someone who was going to fit me for the duration, not just the project at hand.

So, Kendare, you submitted to lit magazines at one point your career? Did you get any takers? Do you think that was an important part of your journey as a writer and did it seem to carry weight in your query letters to agents?

First of all, thanks for the heads up about the resending if you hit refresh. I did not know that. I wonder if I ever did it by accident. Anyway, I don't know if the magazine credits carried weight with agents. I know that it generally does if you write literary. And lots of writers have entire careers of short stories. I have a special fondness for those writers and it sort of bugs me when people rag on them to write novels, as if what they're doing isn't awesome enough. But I digress. I placed second in one literary competition. But I had better luck with dark fantasy and horror. I do think it was important. I know I enjoyed it, and I hope to get back to some short fiction soon. But it's absolutely not necessary! If all your tales turn out to be novels, more power to you!

You said you've got another manuscript up your sleeve already. Is this one you had previously written, or is it new? I know everyone has different pacing and process, but can you describe yours? How fast or slow do you like to go?

I do have another ms up my sleeve, or rather, hiding in my closet. It's a previously written YA, that took a few beatings from betas and was knocked unconscious once or twice during the querying process. It's a child of my heart, and I'm in love with it, so hopefully I can breathe new life into it now that I don't feel the crush of the agent hunt and can focus more.

Pacing and process? I've done a "word vomit" and coughed up a novel in as short as three months, but others, like the ms that landed my agent, was more of a nine month regurgitation period. My process varies according to what the project is telling me to do - some novels I've got all planned out in my head (although I never have a physical outline), and others I've honestly sat down at the laptop and said, "Ok book, what happens now?" I've also had characters do or say things I wasn't planning on. A supporting character the ms I'm revising for Adriann right now did something shocking at a pivotal moment - and I was like, "Awesome move, lady!! I did not see that coming but you totally just created the perfect motivation for my other characters...." So, there are times when I feel like I'm not necessary - I'm just channeling my character's stories.

What's you, Kendare? What’s your process? And do you feel an affinity for certain projects that differs from the next? My first YA is my baby, the ms I'm revising is my red headed stepchild.

Like you, I've been known to word vomit. I think my record is a novel in 17 days, but it was stilted and crappy. But I think that was less about the time it took than just having the wrong story. Six months later I found the right way to tell it and now it's the lead-in to the series I want to write after ANNA DRESSED IN BLOOD and the sequel.  Lately though, books have taken me about four to five months to write. I don't plot, so I can never be sure. When I started writing Anna's sequel, it was mid-October and I gave myself a deadline for sometime in February. As I started, I wasn't sure where it was going; I was definitely glad I hadn't signed on for a trilogy. But by the end, I wanted to write a third.

I've heard there are people who can write a book in days and come out with publishable material. I know there are people out there who consistently write for years. And some differ from book to book. The important thing for every writer to remember is to be true to their own process. It's hard to hear about fast, successful writers and not think, "Oh shit! They're going to put out ten books a year and I'm only going to do one every three! They'll take all the publishing spots and leave none for me!" But don't think that. They won't.
As far as affinity for certain projects? Now that my time with Cas is over, I miss him. I think all writers get that. But we are human after all, and there's always another shiny ball to chase. I guess I remember them all with equal fondness, but the real writing drive is reserved for the project of the moment, which is, I suppose, the best place for it.

Lisa & Laura Roecker Share Their Query That Worked!

I'm lucky (or cunning) enough to have lured yet another successful writer over to my blog for an SAT - Successful Author Talk. SAT authors have conquered the query, slain the synopsis and attained the pinnacle of published. How'd they do it? Let's ask 'em! Even cooler, today brings us something unfathomable to me: a sister-writer team! As such, they get an extra special SAT question at the end of the interview.

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Lisa and Laura Roecker are sisters and co-authors of THE LIAR SOCIETY, which was released in paperback last month.

Are you Planners or Pantsters?

We are most definitely planners. Because we write together, we have to have some idea as to where the book is headed. Granted, this changes quite a bit as we get deeper into the story, but it makes us feel better to have a jumping off point.

How long does it typically take you to write a novel, start to finish?

If we really buckle down, we can complete a novel within a couple of months. This does not include the massive revisions we inevitably end up doing. We do prefer to write this way--NaNoWriMo style--our families, however, do not.

Do you work on one project at a time, or are you a multi taskers?

We are one project at a time kind of writers. We can read a lot of books simultaneously, but writing is much more personal. One world at a time, please.

Did you have to overcome any fears that first time you sat down to write?

We have many fears as writers now compared to when we first started out. We completely miss our naivete of the early days. We just wrote and though it was AMAZING. Now we know better.

How many trunked books did you have before you were agented?

We have one trunked book from before and one from after.

Have you ever quit on a ms, and how did you know it was time?

YES. We've quit on a few! It's usually a joint decision and most often because the plot is too complicated or the characters aren't flowing.

Who is your agent and how did you get that "Yes!" out of them?

Catherine Drayton. She plucked us out of the slush pile, baby! It was super-exciting because she was one of our top agents for the first trunked manuscript, but we got the big fat 'R.' The second time around went much better!

How long did you query before landing your agent?

We sent out 10 queries to our top agent choices for THE LIAR SOCIETY, which was then called FINDING GRACE.

Any advice to aspiring writers out there on conquering query hell?

Believe it or not, there are days when we miss querying. There was so much possibility and excitement involved in the process! Will we get a request? Will an agent want to see more? Will they offer? Will they email? We kind of loved every second. I think our main piece of advice would be to query in small chunks. If you aren't getting a good response, perhaps your query needs a makeover. If you're getting requests that turn into rejections, perhaps your book isn't quite ready. Testing the waters is kind of a nice way to test out your query and/or manuscript.

How did that feel, the first time you saw your book for sale?

So exciting! It felt like all of our hard work had finally paid off. It was also surreal at the same time.

How much input do you have on cover art?

Not much at all. We have a whole cover art drama story. Basically, Kate did not have pink hair until we had to go back in and change it based on final cover art. It all worked out in the end, but not without a few tears along the way.

What's something you learned from the process that surprised you?

We learned that a lot of publishing is out of your control. No one can predict what kids will buy or what they'll love or which cover will call to them. We are not the target market, but we try our best!

How much of your own marketing do you?

We do pretty much all of our marketing. We have an incredible publicist who supports us, but marketing the book is kind of our baby. We've come up with contests, organized our blog tour and have attempted to spread the word using social networking. Jury's still out on whether or not it worked!

Lisa & Laura’s Blog
Lisa & Laura on Twitter
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THE LIAR SOCIETY Homepage
Lisa & Laura’s Site

When do you build your platform? After an agent? Or should you be working before?

As soon as you begin writing, if you feel comfortable, plug yourself into the community. Not only is it great for networking, but you'll make valuable friends along the way. The business is tough so if you have trusted friends who will support you, you're golden!

Do you think social media helps build your readership?

Yes. At least we hope so! We work very hard to spread the word online, so it'd be a shame if it didn't contribute to sales. BUT, we've made friends who are incredible, so really, it doesn't really matter!

And the Extra Special Sister-Writer Duo Question:

How the heck did you manage to work together to write? My older sister chairs the English Dept. in the school where I work. We love each other, but there’s that “Stop touching the stuff on my desk!” and “Are you really eating that?” factor to working together that makes me think if we wrote a book together it would be carnage!!

HA! You'd be surprised how much fun it is to write a book with someone else! The whole two brains thing totally works to our advantage. Basically, we just switch off chapter by chapter--Lisa writes one, Laura edits and writes the next, Lisa edits hers and writes the following. Until finally, we have a finished book and have had the chance to be both readers and writers. We don't know how people write books ALONE!

Extra Special Fun - L&L Share Their Winning Query!!

Kate Lowry didn't think dead best friends could send e-mails. Not even on the anniversary of their disappearance. Of course, that was before this message from Grace appeared in her inbox:

Kate,
I'm here…
sort of.
Find Christian.
He knows.
I shouldn't be writing.
Don't tell.
They'll hurt you.

Most girls would ignore the warning and go straight to the police.

But Kate isn’t most girls.

Instead, she decides to channel Nancy Drew, pearls and all. Of course, Kate’s pearls are faux, her skirts are way shorter and she’d take everyone's favorite teen detective in a girl fight, but you get the idea.

The e-mails continue and Kate’s quest to solve the mystery takes a dangerous turn when her confrontation with Christian, Grace’s addict brother, almost gets her killed. Good thing she finds a couple of knights-in-(not so)-shining armor in sexy bad boy, Liam, and her awkward neighbor, Seth.. Armed with her newfound sidekicks, the investigation continues, uncovering a secret lurking in the halls of their elite private school that threatens to destroy them all.

Kate knew finding Grace wasn’t going to be easy, but figuring out who to trust is more difficult than she ever could have imagined.

After all, everyone’s a suspect.

A Clean House is One in Which No Writing is Being Done (Unless You Have A Maid, But That’s Cheating)

I’ve got to admit that I’m often torn between the demands of real life, and the demands of the fake people who live in my head.  Sure, there are certain responsibilities that must be attended to—cats don’t feed themselves, dog vomit doesn’t magically disappear—but is it imperative that my dresser be dusted off?  Who sees it anyway?  Me.  And do I care?

Technically, no.  I don’t.  Most of the dust in my bedroom is comprised of my own dead skin cells anyway, right?  So why do I care if part of me now resides on top of my dresser?  It makes its own kind of sense, really.  But—even practical me gets a dragging sense of inadequacy when I see that layer of dust.  I’ve failed as a housekeeper.

Then the flip side asks me—what if I fail as a writer?  What if the fake people in my head die and I walk around smelling bad because of it?  OK that last bit isn’t going to happen, but cutting off the circulation to my imagination will in fact kill my characters, and nothing cuts off the blood flow to the brain like housework.

And hey fellas—this applies across the board.  I know plenty of awesome dudes and single fathers who work their butts off, so don’t think that this is a female-centric philosophy. 

I was recently reading the excellent book Women Who Run With the Wolves: Contacting the Power of the Wild Woman by Clarissa Pinkola Estes, and came upon this excellent quote:

“I've seen women work long, long hours at jobs they despise in order to buy very expensive items for their houses, mates, or children, and putting their considerable talents on the back burner. I've seen women insist on cleaning everything in the house before they could sit down to write... and you know, it's a funny thing about house cleaning... it never comes to an end. Perfect way to stop a woman. A woman must be careful to not allow overresponsibility (or overrespectability) to steal her necessary creative rests, rifts, and raptures. She simply must put her foot down and say no to half of what she believes she "should" be doing. Art is not meant to be created in stolen moments only.”

Think on that for a bit, the last sentence particularly.  It resonated with me, and I’m betting it will with you, too.